wrote ... In the future, if you wish to back Aaron, let him fight his own battles only because he fights them much better than you appear to
Lovernios said
wrote ... I don't buy that for a second. You are still attempting to tell me how to comment as well, which I find to be nice and maternal, but otherwise terrifically ignorant.
I really don't have any clue how this is a response to what I said. Wait, maybe I have some clue. If you are trying to say that me telling you making fat comments to Hayley is unneccesary is proof that you are better at fighting Aaron's arguements, then perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.
Aaron never insulted Hayley's physical appearance, because he didn't have to. He attacked the way she posts, and the way she was treating Suz. He did so by being articulate and adequately stating his points. Although he really didn't need you to come in here and help him out, I'm sure he appreciated it. My point was if I were to vote between your flames and his flames to Hayley, he would win.
If this had been your typical flame war, I wouldn't have said anything about the fat comment. There is a difference between throwing out lame comments at someone in cyberspace to flame them and trying to tap on an insecurity someone might have in real life with the purpose of really upsetting them. Your comment about my ass looking like tapioca was obvious a lame attempt to flame, your comment stating, plus your fat, to Hayley seemed like you were really trying to hurt her feelings, not flame her. You didn't even give it a colorful adjective you silly eejit. Perhaps I was wrong to assume that is what your goal was. Or maybe that is how you normally flame people, I don't know. I tend to think if it was Hayley's comments that you found repulsive, that you should flame those comments rather than her physical looks. That is just my opinion and by stating it, I'm not trying to be maternalistic to you, enlighten women every where, or tell you how you should comment, but instead simply stating MY opinion. Don't read more into it than you should, asshat.
I appreciate the rest of your reply, however, especially the part where you flame yourself. That was rather amusing, and proves that you didn't really mean anything harmful by what you said.
To Hayley: I think you're going through a rough time right now, and construed some things the wrong way. Everyone is not out to get you. I honestly don't see that. Sometimes when we are really upset about something we don't see things as clear as we'd like to. You said some things that you really didn't mean to be harmful, but they were misunderstood as such. If you really didn't mean them to be harmful, but were just commenting on someone's annoying posting style, then just state that. There is no reason to attack everyone while you do so. There were some positive things said about you, and you did ignore them. Nevertheless, you are allowed to perceive things the way you wish and defend yourself the way you see fit.
To Aaron and Arcane: I don't think Dan's posting what Hayley wrote indicates he is sucking up to her or her puppet. After all, he just posted what she wrote. It is not the same as Dee posting for Pat or her telling him what he should say and what he isn't allowed to say. Dan's earlier post proves he isn't taking sides by any means, but trying to remain objective. I also don't understand why she didn't post it herself, and feel that if she wants to insult people she should come back and let them respond to it. But to be honest, even though he is a dork, Dan has no control over that. If I told him to post something for me he would. If Sha told him to post something for her he would. He might wonder why the hell we couldn't post it ourselves, but he would respectfully post it anyway if that is what we wanted. As far as him participating in Hayley's insults, he admitted that he hadn't even read it first. Comparing him to Pat is just a bit ridiculous in this context, I think.
I'd also like to say that I too have had my wars with Hayley. The only reason why her words didn't upset me this time, is because having gone through a couple of these fights already with her, I know she doesn't really mean the hurtful things she is saying. I know it doesn't excuse it, and I understand why you both want to defend Suze and yourselves against her comments. I learned that I didn't get my point across by continuing to insult her, because she didn't see the legitimate points I was making when they were surrounded by asslicker, bitch, or moron. When I actually talked to her about it, in a non-flame stlye, she understood me perfectly. Just a bit of advice, but carry on flaming one another if it suits you. As you know, it always entertains me.
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"Dan" wrote ... and.... with that, I believe she has had the last word for now....
But he also said this ^ which I thought meant Dan, after reading it, felt Hayley had flamed everyone so well with her lame absentee post that we may as well give up.
Honestly though, and only in regard to Dan, not Hayley, I was just flaming him in the true "fun" flame sort of sense, which I think he knows, I can't speak for Aaron, however. Geez, I'd never compare Dan to Pat and actually be serious about it. You're messing my first real attempt at flame up Brooke! *spanks you* Did you not see us teasing each other earlier with it? Perhaps it was ill placed, however, in the midst of all this seriousness.
"Ian" wrote ... Will you two just fuck and get it done with already?
Do you really think Ian believes you want to do Mike too?
And everyone tried to lighten this thing up with Hayley, because most of us like her, but she wouldn't have it...she wants to pout, maybe when she is done, she'll come back and stop being so melodramatic.
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First off, and this is to no one's discredit, but it's always better to sign off with your own account for a "last post" ... But it's ok, I understand ....
Next, she IS welcome to delete her own thread, her own pics, etc ... ... it WAS her thread and they ARE her images
Just thought I'd drop this in.
Oh, fuck it, I'll add this too; This is what I wrote to someone that asked about the "rivalry" (I'm not giving details):
wrote ... It's ok ... The really cool thing about TSi has been, and always WILL BE, that we can fuck with each other, much like siblings do in a FAMILY, and STILL turn the other cheek when the chips seem to be down.
We're all a close-knit community ... We always have been, even many THOUSANDS of users later over 20+ years ....
In the end, we'll all know that, yes, we had to "call out" ... and we have to "set things straight" ...
... bottom line, we sometimes fight like cats and dogs (or brothers and sisters), but we ALWAYS come back to those that truly ARE our "family"; it's just the way that life works; accept it and give it time, it heals (mostly) all wounds! ...
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*gives you a sisterly hug, then punches you in the stomach*
Yes, but along with her pics, she also deleted my posts and everyone else's, which I don't believe she does have a right to. The better option would have been to remove the pictures, or better yet, don't abuse your mod powers in the first place. So I guess just a difference of opinion between you and I, it's your site, just my opinion.
"Thrash" wrote ... First off, and this is to no one's discredit, but it's always better to sign off with your own account for a "last post" ... But it's ok, I understand ....
Next, she IS welcome to delete her own thread, her own pics, etc ... ... it WAS her thread and they ARE her images
You understand? That's not what you told Pat when he asked for something similar. If it were anyone else, you'd be calling them on it, and let's say for one moment she does have the right to delete a whole thread, not just her own posts and pictures, it's still cheesy as hell. You know, when Pat and Dee asked you to simply lock Dee's picture thread, you refused, they didn't even ask for it's complete removal. I am becoming confused with all these double standards, one set for everyone else, and one set for Hayley.
The photo gallery DOES NOT belong to Hayley, she is a mod there, it isn't like Rach's Dear, McDamny! or Brooke's Cracker's Absurdities.
When I first discovered the net and TBB, I posted a pic of myself and got mostly positive reactions from everyone, but some neg. ones from you and Hayley, chiming in afterwards, I guess it was my "initiation." I removed the pic because my feelings were hurt as you no doubt predicted I would, me, acting like a typical newbie. You called me on it and I agreed with you and put the pic back, so I get it now......different rules for Hayley.
And guys, for the record, calling any girl FAT or OLD does hurt us deeply, just some advice for the future. I don't care who the girl is or if you are only teasing or how much she says she doesn't care, doesn't matter if the statement is true or false either. We are still judged in today's society, be it right or wrong, by our looks, and that, unfortunately has this negative side effect.
"Arcane on TBB 7/27/04" wrote ...
a17cd0381a="Thrash on TBB 7/27/04" wrote ... No, I don't need too, I'm naturally fucking hotter than hell and young looking. Let's review, even though you are all ripping on my drunken pics they are still there, even though I'm a mod. You, well, you entered meltdown mode and totally deleted yours.
Now, I'm not ripping, I'm just stating the obvious, and I sincerely thought you looked old(er) in those pics. It was merely an opinion; now, well, you've made it a fact
It's ok, I'll still fuck you with a drill press.
You are right Dave. Hey! You didn't even give me the chance fix it, oh well- have fun.
*bends over*
So..... it's bad when Pat/Dee want a pic thread locked, but ok when Hayley deletes one.
It's bad when Lovernios calls people fat, but ok when Hayley calls people old.
It's bad when I delete one picture due to flaming, but ok when Hayley deletes dozens.
It's bad when anyone else posts w/o having the balls to show up in person, but ok when Hayley does.
It's bad when people tell Hayley the truth because it hurts her feelings since she is having troubles IRL, but ok for Hayley to act like a bitch to people going through the same or more at any time or place she chooses.
It's bad when other people stomp off, leave and throw tantrums when they are being flamed, but ok when Hayley does it.
It's bad when people dish out what she serves to Hayley, but ok when Hayley serves, according to her mood, any shit she likes.
It's bad when others misunderstand where Hayley is coming from, overreact and tell her off, but ok when she refuses to see where anyone else is coming from, overreacts and tells people off.
Just trying to get this straight in my head for the future.
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"Hayley" wrote ...
1_ I do not have a weight issue.. and If ''I THINK I HAVE'' then I will deal with it.. I am very happy with the way I look.. and so Is my BOYFREIND..
Blah. At this closing point in your time at TSi, your need to barf this up for our consumption means something only to you. You may be strong enough to deal with that issue on your own terms, but it defies me why a thread in a Flames Forum on the internet is getting to you. Self-depracation can be inlightening and humourous.
"Hayley" wrote ... 5_ lover/up his own ass, skinny, ugly, old man, Homosexual with no life, no love, and no real friends nios You need to do your research you knobhead.
''I have not YET seen Aaron make a personal insult to you, yet all you got is comments about his sex life and sudden rampant need for attention. ''
Did anyone else spot that? Hahaha.. I never laughed so fucking hard when I read that. Read some other threads. You will find them soon enough.. and Get your facts straight before you try to stick up for ''YOUR MAN'' homo.
That was funny? Boiled down to the marrow, I felt that Aaron was being direct about what he thought, and you were not. Aside from that, I appreciate your quasi-insults... I'm not sure what the point of re-hashing crap I already disclosed as fact an insult though. The attention is nice though. I do note that most of your ire is directed at me, so I must be doing something right.
"Hayley" wrote ... ''You're a degrading little spoiled cunt who could use a slap ''
I showed my boyfriend that. I would thank god you are no where near us right now.
Define how I have been degrading... The only thing I thought that I did that was degrading was when I showed everyone on TBB my tits... I regret that.. but I still fucking LAUGH at it.. hahaha.. you didn't even see that one... So try better with the insults next time. You cant hurt me because you mean nothing to me.
You showed your boyfwend that? Did he want to fight me? PLEASE. You both are babies. Again... I remind... FLAME FORUM. Hayley, I assure you and your man. This is FLAME FORUM the only plausible environment where this kind of antagonism is thought to be polite and in good conscience. This place is not real, sorry. I can understand if it's become annoying, but it ain't real. It's kinda like a bad episode of REAL WORLD. Who cares. When you showed your tits you degraded yourself When you made fun of Aaron's sex life as an arguement for your side in this matter, you degraded him.
"Hayley" wrote ... ...and yes.. I do have a cunt and yes it does get slapped... by my boyfriend.
Do you have a girlfriend?
Have him hit it once for me. I'm glad someone is fucking. No. I am a full time single dad, 16 yr old kid to worry about 24 hrs a day. I know that's not in your thinking though, cuz this is a FLAME FORUM. Right Dan?
"Hayley" wrote ... If no, thank god that no women has had to come across your selfish sex-discriminating minging ass.
If yes then I feel so sorry for her.. She will probably leave you soon.
Again, ad hominum. I may have some issues with women, but I remain virtuous, optimistic, altruistic, loyal as a german shepard, devoid of diseaze, and I still got my sense of humor. Hi Suz!
"Hayley" wrote ... and this...
''hayley, fucking die, or chill out''
I will die soon enough just like you and everyone else on this earth, at least I will be remembered for my Wicked personality, the fact that I worked hard to get to where I will end up, The way I love most people I meet and I am always there for, no matter what. Im a good friend, happy, kind, Always smiling, always laughing (Ask Brooke that... she seen me on the webcam once and said.. do you always laugh that much? Hehehe) The way I am honest, open and really do LOVE my life. For my opnion and the fact that I don't follow just to ''stay in the crowed''...
what will you be remembered for? Fuck all.
...and I willl chill out... on my holiday... with my boyfriend... in the middle of no where... together... happy.. away from the rest of the world.. should be GREAT fun! haha...
That's excellent bullshit for Dr Phil.
"Hayley" wrote ... 6_Finally. I'm not leaving because of the horrible comments you no self esteem people said to me. I am leaving because I CANT STAND you anymore.. I cant stand the way you post and I cant stand what you say... Most of you disgust me and in all honesty I don't say that about alot of people. They have to be really horrible people to make me say that.
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Brooke said
wrote ... In the future, if you wish to back Aaron, let him fight his own battles only because he fights them much better than you appear to
Why should my side even matter Brooke? Why?????? What the fuck sista? FUCK!?!? WHY?? I can butt in all I want! Or what???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? THRASH? Send in this hussie to censure my ass? What a pipe.
Your a fucking bitch Brooke, thanks!! MOM!
"Brooke" wrote ... Lovernios said
958c070808 wrote ... I don't buy that for a second. You are still attempting to tell me how to comment as well, which I find to be nice and maternal, but otherwise terrifically ignorant.
I really don't have any clue how this is a response to what I said. Wait, maybe I have some clue. If you are trying to say that me telling you making fat comments to Hayley is unneccesary is proof that you are better at fighting Aaron's arguements, then perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.
Aaron never insulted Hayley's physical appearance, because he didn't have to. He attacked the way she posts, and the way she was treating Suz. He did so by being articulate and adequately stating his points. Although he really didn't need you to come in here and help him out, I'm sure he appreciated it. My point was if I were to vote between your flames and his flames to Hayley, he would win.
You are a COMPLETE PRETENTIOUS CUNT
"Brooke" wrote ... If this had been your typical flame war, I wouldn't have said anything about the fat comment. There is a difference between throwing out lame comments at someone in cyberspace to flame them and trying to tap on an insecurity someone might have in real life with the purpose of really upsetting them. Your comment about my ass looking like tapioca was obvious a lame attempt to flame, your comment stating, plus your fat, to Hayley seemed like you were really trying to hurt her feelings, not flame her. You didn't even give it a colorful adjective you silly eejit. Perhaps I was wrong to assume that is what your goal was. Or maybe that is how you normally flame people, I don't know. I tend to think if it was Hayley's comments that you found repulsive, that you should flame those comments rather than her physical looks. That is just my opinion and by stating it, I'm not trying to be maternalistic to you, enlighten women every where, or tell you how you should comment, but instead simply stating MY opinion. Don't read more into it than you should, asshat.
Asshat IS MINE
...................................................Wait a second here... Did you.....................................................
....................................Do I sense something? I feel it.
you do get ........................................................................... it
you got it all along. Fucking mods.
I used a big hammer. Sue me.
"Brooke" wrote ... I appreciate the rest of your reply, however, especially the part where you flame yourself. That was rather amusing, and proves that you didn't really mean anything harmful by what you said.
Now you're just kissing my skinny white butt. Brooke, you're badass.
To Aaron and Arcane: I don't think Dan's posting what Hayley wrote indicates he is sucking up to her or her puppet. After all, he just posted what she wrote. It is not the same as Dee posting for Pat or her telling him what he should say and what he isn't allowed to say. Dan's earlier post proves he isn't taking sides by any means, but trying to remain objective. I also don't understand why she didn't post it herself, and feel that if she wants to insult people she should come back and let them respond to it. But to be honest, even though he is a dork, Dan has no control over that. If I told him to post something for me he would. If Sha told him to post something for her he would. He might wonder why the hell we couldn't post it ourselves, but he would respectfully post it anyway if that is what we wanted. As far as him participating in Hayley's insults, he admitted that he hadn't even read it first. Comparing him to Pat is just a bit ridiculous in this context, I think.
OK, I wasn't try to flame Dan in a traditional sense. It's much like me going to a coworker and telling him/her I was disappointed with their behavior.
If Dan truely wished to remain impartial, he should not have posted that for her. He should have told her to post it herself as he does not want to dirty his hands with it.
Some things you post for a person when they are physically unable to such as "hey guys, I'm in the hospital, so Dan is posting for me" or something along those lines. To post for someone because they like the "tact" to do it themselves is a whole other issue.
Also, I just wanted to clarify, that I didn't compare Dan to Pat... at least I didn't make that connection when I was posting my feelings. The two incidents are completely seperate in my mind.
"Arcane13" wrote ... So..... it's bad when Pat/Dee want a pic thread locked, but ok when Hayley deletes one.
It's bad when Lovernios calls people fat, but ok when Hayley calls people old.
It's bad when I delete one picture due to flaming, but ok when Hayley deletes dozens.
It's bad when anyone else posts w/o having the balls to show up in person, but ok when Hayley does.
It's bad when people tell Hayley the truth because it hurts her feelings since she is having troubles IRL, but ok for Hayley to act like a bitch to people going through the same or more at any time or place she chooses.
It's bad when other people stomp off, leave and throw tantrums when they are being flamed, but ok when Hayley does it.
It's bad when people dish out what she serves to Hayley, but ok when Hayley serves, according to her mood, any shit she likes.
It's bad when others misunderstand where Hayley is coming from, overreact and tell her off, but ok when she refuses to see where anyone else is coming from, overreacts and tells people off.
Just trying to get this straight in my head for the future.
Thanks for clearing that up for me and putting it in a digestible formatted list. Lists are swell.
oh my God.....I havent read this in two days. I can't belive this bullshit still lives and breathes...
oh?...........I did'nt fight my own battles and ran to other people I thought could do it for me?...... *as she stands behind the high school administraters*
Everything that was said by me ......was said in broad daylight on this readable forum. everything that was said by others..... also was said here and on their own accord... .................not by any influence of mine....
I was more than happy to play....you ran off crying because I'm a more accurate shot. and you know it. I DID fight my own battles ...you just didnt read it or it was too far out of your league to address it. ...............and for that I'll drop to your level.... fuck you. You could'nt come up with anything but I cant type..... which we all fucking read the book on by now. ..............and I'm stupid....another bullseye. I shall now rethink my entire existance because you were able to show me the error of my ways.....
should I save the world by hiring a personal assisstant to type my innnermost visions? ...........would that help you look beyond the surface? Are you unable to dig any deeper to get the real meaning out of my abstract piccaso style postings? You won Hayley you were more insightful, sincere, precisise, creative, steadfast, thoughtful, articulate and fucked up than I am. You DO see the sarcasm dripping from that sentance dont you?....or do you hang on each word with wide eyed wonder. ...............If you dont. here it is... you are a fucking idiot and the angels weep for you because you are precieving these words like you are on crack.
YOU are insincere, off the mark, unoriginal,destructive,crumbling,thoughtless and inarticulate and I'm still more fucked up than you!... I still wont give you my title...I earned it. You never really read any of this, or tried to use anything anyone offered you. ..........A clinched fist can not recieve a gift.
.....you couldnt pour piss out of a boot ...if the instructions were on the heel you are so fucking stupid. you pitiful retarded fool.
I cannot speak for Dave, and will admit he does contradict himself a lot.
I can, however, answer for myself. First, one of the things we've learned about this board is that it is sometimes difficult to tell when people are serious or just joking. At first it seemed you and Dan were joking, but then I sensed (and perhaps mistakenly on my part) a bit of resentment on your part. It didn't seem to me you're really joking the whole time, but if you say so, then you were.
I wasn't sure who exactly you were addressing with the following, but pretty sure most of it is for Dave, although I do think some of it was directed my way, so i'll respond to it:
wrote ... It's bad when Lovernios calls people fat, but ok when Hayley calls people old.
Most people wouldn't agree with me, but I think if someone attacks someone's physical looks-as Lovernios did by calling Hayley fat, then it is only natural for her to then criticize his looks as well, even if he was a Calvin Klein model, which isn't the case.
We saw this with Dee. I don't think you, Hayley, nor I would have said one word about Dee's looks if she had not first started attacking other's looks, stating how much better looking she was.
If Hayley made a comment about someone being old to someone besides Lovernios I missed it.
After his plus your fat comment, I do think she had the right to call him old, even though he did a better job of pointing that out than she did.
wrote ...
It's bad when anyone else posts w/o having the balls to show up in person, but ok when Hayley does.
I only said Dan shouldn't be scolded for posting verbatim what she herself wrote. There is no mistake she wrote it, compared to Pat's posts, which seemed doctored. I don't really see the comparision in this case. Perhaps, you could elaborate a little more if I'm missing it.
wrote ... It's bad when people tell Hayley the truth because it hurts her feelings since she is having troubles IRL, but ok for Hayley to act like a bitch to people going through the same or more at any time or place she chooses.
I never said it was o.k. for Hayley to act like a bitch. I merely stated that the only reason it didn't upset me, as I assure you it has in the past, is because I've been through a couple of the same exact battles with Hayley. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but I did state that it isn't exusable for her to treat other people like shit, and feel free to deal with it how you see fit. Flaming entertains me, except when Lovernios attempts it, then it just confuses me.
wrote ... It's bad when other people stomp off, leave and throw tantrums when they are being flamed, but ok when Hayley does it.
No, it is always better if a person wishes to dish out insults to others, that they stick around and deal with other's responses. I understand why you think Hayley is a pussy for not returning to this board, just like you understood why I thought Pat was a pussy for not returning to this board. The situations are a tad different, however.
wrote ... It's bad when people dish out what she serves to Hayley, but ok when Hayley serves, according to her mood, any shit she likes.
No, I never said that. If you think I did, once again, please elaborate.
wrote ... It's bad when others misunderstand where Hayley is coming from, overreact and tell her off, but ok when she refuses to see where anyone else is coming from, overreacts and tells people off.
No, I never said that either. Eventually, someone has to do the right thing though or the inane fighting will never end. I pointed out that I too tried flaming Hayley to get my point across, but no matter how articulate I was, or how well I argued my point, she never got it. It wasn't until I stopped attacking her while trying to prove my point, that she finally understood why she'd upset me and then apologized. It's like men. If you go up yelling and ranting at them about what they did wrong, no matter how fucked up what they did was, they don't seem to have much remorse. If, however, you put the insults aside, no matter how much they deserve them, and approach them in a less threatening way, they are more likely to see your point.
Now I hope this clears up my side for you
Lovernios,
wrote ... THRASH? Send in this hussie to censure my ass? What a pipe.
Your a fucking bitch Brooke, thanks!! MOM!
Alright dickwad,
How many times do we have to go back and forth on this before you get it through your dimwitted head.
First, Thrash doesn't send me anywhere to do anything.
Second, I know it is hard for you to comprehend this, but I had an opinion about something and voiced it; that is all. My stating what I think about something you did is my right, my prerogotive, and my choice. It doesn't mean I'm telling you not to do it. It doesn't mean I'm scolding you, as If I would even try to scold someone older than me. It means I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT YOU DID, and I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO. Take it how you'd like, toss my words to the wind, piss on them, whatever. It doesn't matter. Why is it that it bothers you so much that I'm merely commenting on why I think what you did was wrong?
Surely you can come up with better flames than continually calling a twenty-six-year-old your mother. I mean, are you even flaming anymore or just upset that a woman has disagreed with your comments to another woman and said something to you about it.
If you were really trying to flame me, why not use some wit? It is your lack of it that makes me think you've taken something I said personally.
So I flame you stating Aaron's posts are better than yours, and your gay response is that I'm a pretentious bitch. Could it be that you're reacting in a sensitive way to my flame, at the same time criticizing me for reacting in a sensitive way to your flame?
I don't quite understand what your goal there is anymore dickweed, but let me know when you figure it out.
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brooke... that was ALL sarcasm. arid as fuck for sure, but pure white sarcasmic stuff.
I see your point, I get your point, I respect your point. You're a complete badass, and NOT a Thrash lackey, that was also a flame. I also can press buttons nicely and be a royal prick The limits of which I have tested nicely
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Me too! ^5 (edit: the "me too" was to Aaron's statement about Brooke, but it would be nice if Hayley didn't leave, I agree, she should come back, take her punches and then we can all make up and make sweet love down by the fire.)
"CelestialApokalypse" wrote ... Thanks for clearing that up for me and putting it in a digestible formatted list. Lists are swell.
NP Aaron, thanks for, unlike Hayley, being such a good sport through all of this.
"Brooke" wrote ... Sha,
I cannot speak for Dave, and will admit he does contradict himself a lot.
This was pretty much the point I was trying to make...there is a double standard being used here, one for Hayley and one for everyone else.
"Brooke" wrote ... I can, however, answer for myself. First, one of the things we've learned about this board is that it is sometimes difficult to tell when people are serious or just joking. At first it seemed you and Dan were joking, but then I sensed (and perhaps mistakenly on my part) a bit of resentment on your part. It didn't seem to me you're really joking the whole time, but if you say so, then you were.
Why in the world would I resent Dan? I like Dan a lot and I admire his flaming skills, perhaps you confuse me with Hayley. I don't resent people unless they give me a real reason. I flamed him, he flamed me back, I flamed him back...isn't that the way it works? But, as I said, I understand your confusion in the middle of the serious stuff.
*lost* Was it the chips comment? I don't see anything that could be construed as 'resentful'.
"Brooke" wrote ... I wasn't sure who exactly you were addressing with the following, but pretty sure most of it is for Dave, although I do think some of it was directed my way, so i'll respond to it:
Nope, it was pretty much to Dave and mostly to just Hayley herself, I agree with most of what you have said. But I do sense this thing from all 3 of you, Dan/Dave/Brooke that you want to give Hayley an out on acting like a pussy, when no one else gets this priviledge, if I am wrong, then I apologize. If I act like a pussy, point it out, I would rather have the same fair consequences as anyone else, never let friendship stop that, I would consider it an insult to my intelligence.
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ... It's bad when Lovernios calls people fat, but ok when Hayley calls people old.
Most people wouldn't agree with me, but I think if someone attacks someone's physical looks-as Lovernios did by calling Hayley fat, then it is only natural for her to then criticize his looks as well, even if he was a Calvin Klein model, which isn't the case.
We saw this with Dee. I don't think you, Hayley, nor I would have said one word about Dee's looks if she had not first started attacking other's looks, stating how much better looking she was.
If Hayley made a comment about someone being old to someone besides Lovernios I missed it.
After his plus your fat comment, I do think she had the right to call him old, even though he did a better job of pointing that out than she did.
I was simply referring to when I first joined TBB, both Hayley and Dave said I looked about 50 in a picture I posted. I was new, knew neither of them and did nothing to provoke this attack. I wrote it off to me being a newb and having to undergo hazing, but I saw no one on a white horse coming to put a stop to it, nor did I expect to. Dave simply taught me my first lesson in don't let things said on the net get to you, it means little. I agree with you on this and was simply pointing out, again, the double standard and that if Lovernios is an ass for doing it, then so is Hayley and Dave. I never complained when they did it either, it's the net after all, so I am not going to act like Hayley did and whine. I am only saying if it is fair for Hayley to do it to people, and she does it often, it's fair for Lovernios to do it as well. I think personal looks stuff should be kept out of it, but I am not going to take it so seriously if I can help myself. "People who live in glass houses should not throw rocks." ----THAT'S HAYLEY ALL OVER
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ...
It's bad when anyone else posts w/o having the balls to show up in person, but ok when Hayley does.
I only said Dan shouldn't be scolded for posting verbatim what she herself wrote. There is no mistake she wrote it, compared to Pat's posts, which seemed doctored. I don't really see the comparision in this case. Perhaps, you could elaborate a little more if I'm missing it.
Dan shouldn't be, I am not comparing Hayley to Pat here, I think what Hayley did was cowardly, it doesn't need a comparison, it stands alone in it's dipshitness. I just marvel at Dan and Dave not calling her on it, I thought Dan & Dave held no respect for such behavior and am a bit surprised is all when Dan says Hayley had the last word and Dave says that he understands, maybe he meant he understands her need to be so fucking lame....I don't know, then I would agree with him. I understand her need to be so lame too, doesn't change the lameness factor.
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ... It's bad when people tell Hayley the truth because it hurts her feelings since she is having troubles IRL, but ok for Hayley to act like a bitch to people going through the same or more at any time or place she chooses.
I never said it was o.k. for Hayley to act like a bitch. I merely stated that the only reason it didn't upset me, as I assure you it has in the past, is because I've been through a couple of the same exact battles with Hayley. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but I did state that it isn't exusable for her to treat other people like shit, and feel free to deal with it how you see fit. Flaming entertains me, except when Lovernios attempts it, then it just confuses me.
I never said you said it was o.k., lol. Stop arguing when I agree with you. (or keep doing it if you want to *hugs you*)
This statement was, again, directed at Hayley, not to you. She expects so much better treatment than she gives people, things don't work this way, what is fair for you, is fair for others, you don't get to play The Princess and the Pea.
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ... It's bad when other people stomp off, leave and throw tantrums when they are being flamed, but ok when Hayley does it.
No, it is always better if a person wishes to dish out insults to others, that they stick around and deal with other's responses. I understand why you think Hayley is a pussy for not returning to this board, just like you understood why I thought Pat was a pussy for not returning to this board. The situations are a tad different, however.
I agree, but again, I am not comparing things to Pat necessarily. In making all these statements, I am pointing out how it is, in general for everyone else, except Hayley. She thinks she is above it all for some reason and can act like a pussy and it is somehow ok. How many newbs have I seen run off crying with Dave, Hayley and others slapping them in the butt as they go because they can't take a joke or any razzing? Just because Hayley is the one doing it now, it's still just as silly and lame.
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ... It's bad when people dish out what she serves to Hayley, but ok when Hayley serves, according to her mood, any shit she likes.
No, I never said that. If you think I did, once again, please elaborate.
I don't understand why you keep thinking I say you did? This is, again, directed at Hayley and her actions.
"Brooke" wrote ...
937a2d72e9 wrote ... It's bad when others misunderstand where Hayley is coming from, overreact and tell her off, but ok when she refuses to see where anyone else is coming from, overreacts and tells people off.
No, I never said that either. Eventually, someone has to do the right thing though or the inane fighting will never end. I pointed out that I too tried flaming Hayley to get my point across, but no matter how articulate I was, or how well I argued my point, she never got it. It wasn't until I stopped attacking her while trying to prove my point, that she finally understood why she'd upset me and then apologized. It's like men. If you go up yelling and ranting at them about what they did wrong, no matter how fucked up what they did was, they don't seem to have much remorse. If, however, you put the insults aside, no matter how much they deserve them, and approach them in a less threatening way, they are more likely to see your point.
I don't understand why you keep thinking I say you did? This is, again, directed at Hayley and her actions, wanting to use a different set of rules for herself than for anyone else.
So she is unevolved and overly self-important, refuses to listen unless treated with kit gloves, therefore can never see past the tip of her nose, well, one less door knob on the board then.
"Brooke" wrote ... Now I hope this clears up my side for you
It was pretty clear already, I agree with most of what both you and Dan have said, I am still unwilling, however, to let Hayley get away with all this w/o calling her on it, I don't think her shit smells like roses and I am not saying you do, just saying I don't.
Again, no use in quoting the things I'm going to be speaking on... it's all happened in the past day or so... but.. I"ll just talk randomly here..
Everyone: I'll have you know, before the posting of her "last" post, I was talking to her on AIM (or MSN... I forget)... I *HAD* tried to get her to post it... talked to her for the majority of about half an hour... then, I had to go get something to eat (gotta do that at least ONCE a day....) When I came back, I had that letter in my email... I looked at the size of that bad-boy, and said to myself "whoa... that's one HELL of a piece of mind!".. and, since she has asked me nicely, and we're friends, and I ***KNEW*** from that half hour of debating with her, she would not post it on her own... so I did what any "friend" would do... I did a favor for her, and posted the letter blindly because I had not read it yet... I knew her mindset, and I knew her feellings on the whole thing... so, if *I* know that i'm better off talking to the wall, I'll do what I feel is necessary at the time...
Aaron: As far as my objectivity is concerned, and the fact that you're doubting it, if something like this was happening to someone you know, would you do the same thing? On the boards, I have a reputation of being a dick.. Mostly because when I post on here, I don't really hesitate to say what i'm really thinking at the time... When you're talking to me one-on-one, it's a little different... I'll *STILL* tell you what i'm thinking at any given moment, but i'm not as much of a dick in private conversations.... Call me a show-off if you want to based on this, I care not...
There is *ONE* thing that people will say about me (those who know me well enough, that is)... Ask almost anyone, and they'll tell that "he's a good friend!" One of the main reasons for this is because I tend to like to help people... and if you doubt that, ask rach... or hayley.... or Sha.... or Thrash... or even Brooke... I am willing to do just about ANYTHING for a friend, because in my mind *THAT* is what a friend is SUPPOSED to do... I REFUSE to not let myself watch someone being slaughtered (and you all were doing that) and then ignore when someone asks for my assistance... I'd have done it for Rach, I'd have done it for Brooke, I'd have done it for Dave.... Rach.... Tim.... Mike.... even YOU if asked...
Do I need any further clarification on this one? If so, please feel free to question my loyalties again... I'll be happy to explain it ALL over if necessary...
General Question: Do *I* feel what she (Hayley) did was right? Answer- Not entirely.... I'll be honest, I do feel she should have posted it herself... But I also know the mindset she was in, and I respect her right to withdraw from something that was creating so much stress and anxiety in her life... In talking with her, I *KNOW* her problems with her job.. I know a few other problems that I'm *NOT* going to get into... It's not been a easy life for her... But as I stated above, I'm a good Friend, so i'ma try to help her out any way I can... Be it talking things out with her, emails, text messages, or posting a letter from her on the internet... Call me one-sided if you like, but I don't think caring about someone is reason enough to FORCE them to do something they're against...
Arcane: I love you, girl... really... you're funny.... I know what you were meaning in your posts... Perhaps others didn't see it that way... You wanted to know why I posted what I did? Ok, I'll tell ya'... Again, I had no clue what that thing had said when I posted it, as I had not read it... I did not TRULY read it until I had posted it on here.... After reading it.. In all honesty... the only thing that was going through my mind was "oh fuck.........that's gonna be messy" ... and I think I was right.. I said what I did to kinda verballize my slight disbelief about the whole thing... I was not saying that she bitchslapped everyone so effectively that nobody can retort... I was just compelled to say SOMETHING.... so I did...
Mike: You make me laugh, bro... and you're right... this *IS* the flame area.. ***NEVER*** a need for ANY KIND Of apology in here... it's a free-for-fucking-all... use it, abuse it, and diffuse it...
Anyone else I forgot: I'm just being me.. those that know me can TRULY appreciate what i'm saying in here.. those that don't... well... guess that tells you something about what I think of you... All in all, I believe my initial (long winded) post about this whole things speaks volumes about shit like this... It's one of my better posts (and I've had MANY over the years), and i'm actually quite proud of it... and I stand by EVERY word of it... If you doubt my intentions in the future, please, ask me about it... either in PM, or find me online... I'll be glad to offer a one-on-one and answer any questions.... that's part of the "Admin" in me... I'm here to listen and try to make people understand some things... You may not like what I have to say, but I have EVERY RIGHT to say it... Just like you all have EVERY RIGHT to say what you will on here..
As far as the "you're fat" thing... I thought it *WAS* a little sophomoric... I kinda chuckled whilst saying "oh man!" in my head... I know it's a sensitive issue with some women.. I know some guys might be offended too... but, I also considered where it's resting place is.... in flames... so I ignored it... *shrugs* wasn't meant for me, so it doesn't bother me... I can see how OTHERS might be offended or put out by it, and can certainly understand why Lovernios got jumped on for it... but.. in the end... *strikes a match*... Flame...
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All cleared up, thanks Dan for taking the time when you didn't have to and for understanding why your statement confused me. Your first post was very well stated, as was this one, I love ya too, respect as well. *hugs*
(edit: the "me too" was to Aaron's statement about Brooke, but it would be nice if Hayley didn't leave, I agree, she should come back, take her punches and then we can all make up and make sweet love down by the fire.)
All in all, I believe my initial (long winded) post about this whole things speaks volumes about shit like this... It's one of my better posts (and I've had MANY over the years), and i'm actually quite proud of it... and I stand by EVERY word of it... If you doubt my intentions in the future, please, ask me about it... either in PM, or find me online... I'll be glad to offer a one-on-one and answer any questions.... that's part of the "Admin" in me... I'm here to listen and try to make people understand some things... You may not like what I have to say, but I have EVERY RIGHT to say it... Just like you all have EVERY RIGHT to say what you will on here..