I was trying to stay out of this one, but you all know better right?
Dan actually made some of the points I wanted to make, but I would like to elaborate on a few.
First, I've never seen newbies picked on as much as they are on this board. Since, Hayley hadn't been here in weeks, it is only natural for her to see someone's odd posting style, get annoyed by it, and say something that can be construed as harsh.
I'll also admit, that Suze's posting style can be annoying. I didn't say anything about it either, however, because it seemed everyone knew her and because if it annoys me too much, I can simply not read her posts. It took me a while to get used to her posting style and understand what she was saying, but when I finally did, I found myself chuckling at some of her posts.
I agree Hayley could have made her comment in a much nicer way. At the same point, I've seen Dave and Dan slam newbies with harsher words.
As far as the fight between Aaron and Hayley, I can't say too much. I will say that I think Hayley was saying a lot of things, because she felt hurt; and because she doesn't really know much about Aaron, nor he about her. I don't think the comment about Aaron's sex life should have been made, even though he makes comments about not getting enough. Nor do I think Suzette should be called a whore, even though it is common in flame wars of the normal type.
I don't think anyone should leave the board over this arguement, but I do understand how someone having stress in their real life, doesn't want to deal with stess online.
Finally, I think when online, we have a bad way of communicating with each other. We don't have the censors we do when speaking to someone face to face, and therefore just type whatever comes out at the time. Most arguements, if we had really wanted to solve them, could have been done in a more efficient manner if we thought out what we were really trying to say first. Sometimes, I think we just fight with each other to relieve stress in our everyday lives.
And to Lovernios,
After you made the comment that the thread should be locked because you were tired of it, I thought to myself: well, why the hell is he reading it then? Then, you told Hayley to chill out, but ended your post by calling her a cunt.
Then to top it off, you made the following comment:
wrote ... plus your fat
Even though you might not give a flying fuck, I felt that comment was totally uncalled for and even if it didn't hurt Hayley's feelings, it hurt mine.
Most women are very sensitive about the way they look, and Hayley said nothing negative about Aaron's looks, Suze's looks, nor your looks.
Yet, you feel the need to come into a thread where she is having a fight with someone else, and after telling her to calm down, you call her fat. What does your opinion of the way she looks have anything to do with this arguement, and do you really think calling her fat is going to diffuse the arguement?
It makes sense to me why she would take all her pictures down after a comment like that. You probably hurt her more than you can understand with that comment, and you pissed me off. I'm sure you were just trying to flame her or whatever, but this isn't your typical flame war. And for the record, Hayley isn't fat.
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RED HERRING I knew it would get a response, and there it is.
I thought alot about calling hayley fat, as you might note from the lag between posts from me. I don't think she's really fat either, but because she's outta my range for a slap, she got a verbal one.
As far as a women being 'sensitive' about thier looks, I could give a rat-fuck about it. Especially on Al Gore's internet. JEEZUZ. No one can get CLOSE to anyone really on this internet, at least a closeness that is satisfying, yet feelings and pain can crop up over getting called fat?? I cannot believe it gets taken seriously.
I did not call her a cunt, it was a "degrading little spoiled cunt who could use a slap". No, it wasn't enough. No, it doesn't mean shit to anyone, it's just a perspective. EVERYONE here makes comments in a PUBLIC forum can expect some sarcasm and venom at some point, and I for one am not going to candy-coat my comments to suit anyone else's perspectives.
So I butt in on a public thread in a public forum... Big deal. I get whiny shit from the likes of you, calling my motives into question? It's PUBLIC + THRASH promotes FREE SPEECH. In a FLAME WAR FORUM????????? FUCK YOU BROOKE, freely! Try herding cats, you might have better luck.
So, for her to take her pictures down in light of MY comments boils down to spinelessness and being a snit. She's been here forever, and certainly has a stake in the proceedings. She knows the drill, she knows she's out there for ridicule and criticism just as well as she knows she is here for ass-kissing and self-appointed diva of TSi.
My bottom line is I agree with Aaron's perspective and backed my boy the best way I know how. At least on Al Gore's Internet.
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:shock: Brooke's gonna spank you.
But I agree partly with both. Hayley makes excessively rude comments, not once, but over and over, then when someone does her the same turn, she can't handle it. Though saying you wanted the thread closed because you were tired of it, well, don't look at it, I agree with Brooke there. Yes, Dave and Asp have done worse and I cringe when they do it too, I hate to see people get hurt and I have often hurt people's feelings as well, unaware of how hard I was teasing someone. But it is just the internet, people can say what they want, and others can react the way they want, negative or positive. I hope Hayley is not gone permanently just because she was called on her cattiness, she adds a lot to this place and there will be a hole without her.
wrote ... I thought alot about calling hayley fat, as you might note from the lag between posts from me. I don't think she's really fat either, but because she's outta my range for a slap, she got a verbal one.
Just how many verbal slaps did you need to give her? You'd already posted quite a few, and quite frankly they were much more effective than using the playground insult you concluded with.
wrote ... yet feelings and pain can crop up over getting called fat?? I cannot believe it gets taken seriously.
I know you give a rat-fuck whether a woman is sensitive about the way she looks. That's apparent. A lot of people don't understand why calling someone fat is hurtful, especially if they've never been overweight themselves. You using it as an insult a day after Hayley posted her pictures was aimed at hurting her self-esteem in real life. Congratulations, I think you succeeded. My point was, flame Hayley all you want for what she says here, but it was unneccasary in this flamewar to take a blow at her physical appearance, unless of course she took blows at your physical flaws first.
Basically, I'm allowed to be a whiny shit if I see something I think is wrong or uncalled for, no matter if you get it or not, and you can bite my ass if you don't like what I have to say.
I didn't expect to enlighten you in any way with my post, as I expected you would not understand in the slightest about why your fat comment bothered me, nor would you give a fuck. I said what I did because it needed to be said, and because I know I wasn't the only one that felt it was uncalled for. Who cares if you get it or not; that matters not?
wrote ... So I butt in on a public thread in a public forum... Big deal. I get whiny shit from the likes of you, calling my motives into question? It's PUBLIC + THRASH promotes FREE SPEECH. In a FLAME WAR FORUM????????? FUCK YOU BROOKE, freely!
Thats right it is free speech, and of course you can say whatever you want. As I can respond in whatever way I want to you, in response.
I never called your motives into question, as I know you were trying to back Aaron up. I did, and still do wonder why you would say a thread should be locked because you are tired of reading it, then participate in the fighting. I also find it peculiar that you should state earlier in the thread that this thread should be locked and then try to flame me by stating
wrote ... It's PUBLIC + THRASH promotes FREE SPEECH. In a FLAME WAR FORUM?????????
If you really felt so strongly about Thrash and his promotion of free speech, why did you say the thread should be locked asswipe?
wrote ...
My bottom line is I agree with Aaron's perspective and backed my boy the best way I know how.
In the future, if you wish to back Aaron, let him fight his own battles only because he fights them much better than you appear to.
as much as I absolutely adore Lovernio's sense of humor ....
......the fat thing made me flinch too. I felt bad for how hayley must feel reading that remark as well.
................I wish she would get it thru her head that she is hurtful herself...... but that shit REALLY HURT I'm sure .....more than the lameass insults I got .
That IS why fighting sucks though...someone always ends up hurt. I'd rather not do it if I can avoid it....we all tried to do that.
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"Brooke" wrote ...
4f7714ae85 wrote ... I thought alot about calling hayley fat, as you might note from the lag between posts from me. I don't think she's really fat either, but because she's outta my range for a slap, she got a verbal one.
Just how many verbal slaps did you need to give her? You'd already posted quite a few, and quite frankly they were much more effective than using the playground insult you concluded with.
Okay fine, point taken. I'm obnoxious and pushed the envelope. I've also said many nice things about her, something that goes under the radar here, and I'm sure she's massively charming IRL. I like her pics. I like her ability as a photographer. I like the fact that she shares hereself here like all you other peeps. I like the fact that she was the only one who battled me in a previous Flame War. Look it up, I thought she had stones. I also don't like the fact that she layed out welcome mats in my forum like she has shit to do with the new people there. She doesn't mind stepping on toes either.
"Brooke" wrote ...
4f7714ae85 wrote ... yet feelings and pain can crop up over getting called fat?? I cannot believe it gets taken seriously.
I know you give a rat-fuck whether a woman is sensitive about the way she looks. That's apparent. A lot of people don't understand why calling someone fat is hurtful, especially if they've never been overweight themselves. You using it as an insult a day after Hayley posted her pictures was aimed at hurting her self-esteem in real life. Congratulations, I think you succeeded. My point was, flame Hayley all you want for what she says here, but it was unneccasary in this flamewar to take a blow at her physical appearance, unless of course she took blows at your physical flaws first.
I stand by my statement that this 'fat' crap should not be taken seriously. I would LOVE someone to make fun of anything about me. I'm deeply flawed in many areas. I'm kinda short and skinny. My hair is thinning. People think I walk like Groucho Marx. I don't have a woman. I need a woman. I have terrible taste in music. I'm a bitch and a grump. I have bi-tendencies that people think I should act on. I like to wear my hair up. And yeah, I'm not fat, and have little understanding about the mindset of overweight people. See, pasty white skin, arms like spagetti, nearsighted blah blah blah
Here's some plain truth for ya: Yep, I'm a sensitive guy. Yep, a bit too sensitive sometimes, something read as a feminine trait alot. YOU are correct... I do give a rat-fuck about women's sensitivity to how they look. I told you I thought about it. I did. I still contend it SHOULD NOT MEAN SHIT, coming from me or anyone here. I don't know hayley at all, she don't know me. I think your just sore headed I spoke the blatant and obvious, and now you have to speak for all womenkind. More Truth: I don't think you and some women can take the obvious truth, you'd rather stick to some image in your head. Why do I have to care about everyone else's sensitivities when no one gives a poop about mine? Fat people happen to show their insecurities and head-case flaws outwardly. But, like smokers and drug addicts, the cure is there all the time, they just need to grow a fucking backbone and fix it.
"Brooke" wrote ... Basically, I'm allowed to be a whiny shit if I see something I think is wrong or uncalled for, no matter if you get it or not, and you can bite my ass if you don't like what I have to say.
Don't let my characterization of your comments as whiny stop you Brooke. Please bleat on.
"Brooke" wrote ... I didn't expect to enlighten you in any way with my post, as I expected you would not understand in the slightest about why your fat comment bothered me, nor would you give a fuck. I said what I did because it needed to be said, and because I know I wasn't the only one that felt it was uncalled for. Who cares if you get it or not; that matters not?
I understand perfectly why it 'might' bother, that's why I did it. I just cannot understand why it did in this FLAME FORUM context.
"Brooke" wrote ...
4f7714ae85 wrote ... So I butt in on a public thread in a public forum... Big deal. I get whiny shit from the likes of you, calling my motives into question? It's PUBLIC + THRASH promotes FREE SPEECH. In a FLAME WAR FORUM????????? FUCK YOU BROOKE, freely!
Thats right it is free speech, and of course you can say whatever you want. As I can respond in whatever way I want to you, in response.
I never called your motives into question, as I know you were trying to back Aaron up. I did, and still do wonder why you would say a thread should be locked because you are tired of reading it, then participate in the fighting. I also find it peculiar that you should state earlier in the thread that this thread should be locked and then try to flame me by stating
wrote ... It's PUBLIC + THRASH promotes FREE SPEECH. In a FLAME WAR FORUM?????????
If you really felt so strongly about Thrash and his promotion of free speech, why did you say the thread should be locked asswipe?
Because I felt the thread was turning into a pointless festering boil at the time. I am now sure of it. Also, I am giddy about being called an asswipe finally.
"Brooke" wrote ...
4f7714ae85 wrote ...
My bottom line is I agree with Aaron's perspective and backed my boy the best way I know how.
In the future, if you wish to back Aaron, let him fight his own battles only because he fights them much better than you appear to.
I don't buy that for a second. You are still attempting to tell me how to comment as well, which I find to be nice and maternal, but otherwise terrifically ignorant.
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"suzette" wrote ...
......the fat thing made me flinch too. I felt bad for how hayley must feel reading that remark as well. .............. but that shit REALLY HURT I'm sure .....more than the lameass insults I got .
Oh man.
Look, I said this about Brooke on June 22 in another thread:
"lovernios" wrote ... Brooke's ass looks and acts like a 30 gallon plastic bag full of tapioca
Where was the big female response of empathy then?
same day/thread:
"lovernios" wrote ... Hayley is as luscious as peaches and cream on a warm summer night
She liked that, but again... should she take it seriously?
Anyhow... I debated putting this in another thread, and then locking it... But, That'd be kinda cheap...
I also have to admit, I haven't read it all, so I'm not really sure what's going to be unleashed in this...
Keep in mind, I'm posting this FOR HAYLEY:
"Hayley" wrote ...
I have asked Dan to post this for me because I will not be returning to tsi. I wasn't even going to look in the thread but Dan wanted me to look at his reply (Such a show off! <3) So I did... Then.. I saw a few comments that I would just like to make VERY fucking clear to you all.
1_ I do not have a weight issue.. and If ''I THINK I HAVE'' then I will deal with it.. I am very happy with the way I look.. and so Is my BOYFREIND.. so all you loners on this board.. calling me fat, You may think it hurts.. but It doesnt even come close to entering my head. It says more ABOUT YOU then it does about me.
2_for the attention of ARC...
'' Suz is going through some tough times in her life and she is a very sweet person''
Have you ever thought that I might be having a rough time, My job is stressing me out to the point where I spend most of my time there wondering if I should just walk out.. Or telling myself not to cry. It becomes uncontrollable sometimes, but as all lifes test I will get over it... become a better person, become better at what I belive in and be very happy. I came on here more just this week to get away from it because what I felt was, that I had friends on here who understood me, when Im joking.. when Im serious.. whatever. But I was horribly wrong with some of you. One minute you where..''oh hayley you are pretty.. oh hayley you are so cool'' To..''your a cunt, your a bitch, your catty..ect'' In the same day. That SHOWS me that you are just fucking pshyco.. You don't do that to someone and just think I willl smile and be happy with it. I don't think so and if you thought that then there is something wrong with your head.
Brooke and Dan have tryed to hint in there posts that I dont need it right now either. The post I first posted to suze, to me.. wasnt anything bad, Infact I forgot about it.. then when I went back in the thread to look at what you where all talking about I read that you had all taken it the wrong way. Again, that is your problem. Not mine.
'' much like I felt for you when the fat comment was made, I know how you are about that.''
You know how I am about that? I hardly know you and that proves that you really have no clue. I am a very confindent person about my looks who I am,what I am and where I am going in this world. If YOU think that someone in another country on the interent calling me FAT is hurtfull then you really are deluded.
as for this..
''And now she has deleted her whole picture thread. I thought Thrash didn't allow that shit? ''
First I deleated my post before I left because IT WAS MY POST... MY FORUM... and just because I shear pictures with MY FRIENDS... So It had nothing to do with the name callin. Also.. Dave probabley wouldn't care AS IT WAS ME WHO STARTED THE POST... they are personal pictures of mine... and whats he gunna do.. BAN ME? I'm leaving so he can if he wants. Wouldn't make much of a difference to me.
3_Suze, Next time fight your own battles.. Instead of running to people YOU THINK can. I think you are irratating, the way you post is stupid, I don't understand your posts because you type like a spacko and you want me to be nice... no, are you a grown women..because you dont show it at all. I'm not the only one that said your post are annoying and people have ADMITTED that they wouldnt have said anything to you because you knew people... I COULDNT GIVE A TOSS... Even if ''I'' knew you.. I would tell you to stop typing that way, Like someone said. REAL Friends tell you the truth, Yes... others dont to make themselves look better.. Think about it.
4_Aaron.. I have said I would drop it with you, but you pissed me off when you posted that PM. which only shows me to be mature about the situation and ask you to forget it all and lets get on and have fun, but you just couldn't, So fuck ya. as for this..
''I'm trying desperately to make you understand my point of view''
What do you think ''I'' have been doing here too.. I was going to agree to disagree with you.. Which i really never do, but I liked your posts (even though I have spoken to you like once on this board)and I no matter what I said about you I was trying to get back at you for your posts. I dont care if you are not gatting laid.. whats it to do with me.. but you pushed your luck so you can go to hell.
5_ lover/up his own ass, skinny, ugly, old man, Homosexual with no life, no love, and no real friends nios
You need to do your research you knobhead.
''I have not YET seen Aaron make a personal insult to you, yet all you got is comments about his sex life and sudden rampant need for attention. ''
Did anyone else spot that? Hahaha.. I never laughed so fucking hard when I read that. Read some other threads. You will find them soon enough.. and Get your facts straight before you try to stick up for ''YOUR MAN'' homo.
''You're a degrading little spoiled cunt who could use a slap ''
I showed my boyfriend that. I would thank god you are no where near us right now.
Define how I have been degrading... The only thing I thought that I did that was degrading was when I showed everyone on TBB my tits... I regret that.. but I still fucking LAUGH at it.. hahaha.. you didn't even see that one... So try better with the insults next time. You cant hurt me because you mean nothing to me.
...and yes.. I do have a cunt and yes it does get slapped... by my boyfriend.
Do you have a girlfriend?
If no, thank god that no women has had to come across your selfish sex-discriminating minging ass.
If yes then I feel so sorry for her.. She will probably leave you soon.
and this...
''hayley, fucking die, or chill out''
I will die soon enough just like you and everyone else on this earth, at least I will be remembered for my Wicked personality, the fact that I worked hard to get to where I will end up, The way I love most people I meet and I am always there for, no matter what. Im a good friend, happy, kind, Always smiling, always laughing (Ask Brooke that... she seen me on the webcam once and said.. do you always laugh that much? Hehehe) The way I am honest, open and really do LOVE my life. For my opnion and the fact that I don't follow just to ''stay in the crowed''....
what will you be remembered for? Fuck all.
...and I willl chill out... on my holiday... with my boyfriend... in the middle of no where... together... happy.. away from the rest of the world.. should be GREAT fun! haha..
6_Finally. I'm not leaving because of the horrible comments you no self esteem people said to me. I am leaving because I CANT STAND you anymore.. I cant stand the way you post and I cant stand what you say... Most of you disgust me and in all honesty I don't say that about alot of people. They have to be really horrible people to make me say that.
On another note. Brooke. Thank you alot for your comments, It means more to me then you will ever know. I feel that you and me and actually really close friends and I like it!
I also want to add that the above comment about dave was not in anyway a horrible comment towards him because I luv Dave to bits and he knows where to find me, we have been friends for a long time and I am very glad that I have meet some of you. Especially Jenn, Rach, Dan, Ian, Brooke, Dave, Yoda (just for shits and giggles) grimmy, Jen (The one from L-G) and forgotten. We have know each other too long its scary... Please keep in touch. Me and Dan will be hopefully getting our old forum up and running again. He will give you the link if I don't.
Now I'm going on holiday again..Can't WAIT!!! Speak soon all of the above..
Hayley xxxxx
(Maybe I will drop in here in a few months... say 6.. and see who still posts here, If the wankers have gone.. (and I give suze 3 months before she stops posting like copperbox and lusive) I'll say 'Hi' otherwise..forget it.
Wow. How incredibly lame on so many levels by two different people.
I've lost all faith in the purpose of this flame forum and Dan's ability to be an objective admin. You should have made her post that crap herself, Dan, instead of letting her get away with such a childish move like that absentee verbal sucker punch of a response. I mean that's seriously fucking lame. She thinks Suze came running to other people to defend her and warns she should fight her own battles and yet Hayley pulls this kind of a stunt? It's to be expected from here, no doubt. Dan, how could you let yourself be a hand in such hypocritical behavior?
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Hayley, god you are not only tedious sometimes, but a coward and a cry baby, and please hit the spell check before you post and call other people stupid. You don't even have the courage to show up and instead use Aspy as your personal delivery boy. Dan, are you telling me you respect that??? Posting through you and running off to hide? Soooo reminds me of that Dee person it's not even funny, I thought much better of Hayley, but she is proving me wrong.
"Hayley" wrote ...
edcd86b679="Arcane13" wrote ... '' much like I felt for you when the fat comment was made, I know how you are about that.''
You know how I am about that? I hardly know you and that proves that you really have no clue. I am a very confindent person about my looks who I am,what I am and where I am going in this world. If YOU think that someone in another country on the interent calling me FAT is hurtfull then you really are deluded.
"Hayley posted in Bye Bye May 15, 2005 - 10:11 AM" wrote ...
I'm tired of the way people talk to each other on the interent, the way I get told that I am fat, stupid and all the other things that are said to me. For a while I began to believe it. So for the past few days I have been thinking and I have decided to have a break from all of the pethetic people that try to put me and my friends on here down all the time. You know who you are and its spinless. The only reason you guys say it online is because you can get away with it offline.
Oops, sorry, you are right, I don't know you, I thought you were kewl and just took you at your word, I'll not make that mistake again.
"Hayley posted in Bye Bye" wrote ... I'm tired of feeling down because people online say horrible things to put me down when they dont know me, and most of them haven't even given me the time or a chance to even talk to them so they can get to know me. ... Its gay.
Oh, like you did to Suzette? And let me just say, that all I said at first was, "She's just being the bitch we all know and love.....if Suz does get upset, at least she'll have a legit reason, HA HA!" which I obviously meant as a joke and in response to everyone perhaps overreacting to your posts. Are you really going to deny that this is what you are well known and respected for by many of us? And you went through every comment anyone made to you and left out everything positive anyone said and just took out all the negativity you could to fuel your little baby fit.
"Hayley" wrote ... One minute you where..''oh hayley you are pretty.. oh hayley you are so cool'' To..''your a cunt, your a bitch, your catty..ect'' In the same day. That SHOWS me that you are just fucking pshyco.. You don't do that to someone and just think I willl smile and be happy with it. I don't think so and if you thought that then there is something wrong with your head.
The ONLY thing I ever said was that you were just being the bitch we all know and love teasingly, and changed that to, you are not a bitch, but were, indeed, acting like one at the time.
Nothing wrong with my head, I think you are pretty, mostly because of your smile and until now, cool, I also thought you were acting like a catty bitch because you were, you are well known for acting like one and I simply stated the FACT and did it teasingly. This is one of my favorite qualities about you, oddly enough, I just thought you went too far and I felt badly for Suz. Why should we give you ANYTHING that you are so unwilling to give anyone else? And how many people have I seen on TBB tell you the exact same thing, in the exact same way and not even get a blink from you, but all of a sudden saying you are being the bitch we all know and love gets your knickers in a bundle when I say it? Please.
I should have known your true nature when I gave you constructive criticism on your drawing. Instead of seeing the compliments at all, or the fact that I found your art worthy of taking the actual time to say more than, "Gee, that purty, duh!" you instead respond with the fact that you have been doing it for years and your art is perfect because Picasso, blah blah. Picasso would laugh in your face if he heard anyone say what you did. See...no one is ever perfect Hayley, in art, or in anything, that's a claim that only fools stand by.
"Hayley" wrote ... Im a good friend, happy, kind, Always smiling, always laughing
You forgot unnecessarily mean and whiney and that you can't take even a touch of what you dish out without throwing baby tantrums.
"Hayley" wrote ... (Maybe I will drop in here in a few months... say 6.. and see who still posts here, If the wankers have gone.. (and I give suze 3 months before she stops posting like copperbox and lusive) I'll say 'Hi' otherwise..forget it.
Eeh....why not just forget it? I will never see you in the same light again and I can't believe your other so called net friends even tolerate your whining ass, you are fine and dandy with everyone that either sticks their nose up your ass or are willing to sit on their true feelings while you blather and act like some cartoon bully who sprays shit all over everyone then turns around waiting for them to compliment you on smelling like flowers and candy...anyone who says you do, I lose respect for.
Looking back on all of this, I can see where many people overreacted, including myself, but Hayley did most of all. She tried to be mean to a newb...which is tradition, then couldn't handle the reaction she got, perhaps because she felt vulnerable today? We all go through that, but Hayley then proceeded to act like the whole world was against her personally when all anyone said was they didn't like the way she treated Suzette.
And Dan, no offense, please explain to me why you think Hayley's vicarious delivery of this muddled concoction of misspelled words and half baked phrasings should shut anyone up? Since you are apparently hosting Hayley's pity party, I must tell ya, when you run out of beer and chips, I'm leaving.
