Toad or Dylan this is primarily aimed at you guys since (to borrow from the king of Gonzo) like the Hells Angels you guys have no focus at all and gobble drugs like victims of a famine turned loose on a rare smörgasbord, using anything available and if the result is a screaming delirium then so be it.
So the question is does anyone have any experience with either DiPT or Sinicuichi? I know DiPT is (or was) a big research chem but I'm not sure if it would have appealed to you guys. I just bought Sinicuichi seeds and am interested in growing it for use. I need some live aces to turn to instead of crappy internet FAQs. Has anyone grown before? Any advice for growing or ingestion? Warnings? Bum trips?
Yeah Erowid... I need interactive feedback so I can ask questions on points I'm unclear on. I followed an online FAQ from either Erowid or the Lycaeum to make a DXM extraction and nearly poisoned myself. In retrospect, why on earth didn't I just ask the L-G's resident DXM fiend how to do it?
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EDIT: And as fr as audio hallucinations, I've had some of that on hash if you can believe it, but I'm looking to try something that is purely audio.
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Hah. I'm plenty happy with mushrooms. I'm just interested in experiences. From what I've read, audio hallucinogens don't create sounds for the user, they simply alter the user's perceptions of sounds.
As far as schizophrenia is concerned, isn't that the point? Don't we all try hallucinogens to get grasp of a little piece of schizophrenia to play with in a controlled way? I'm not that worried about my brain chemistry. I'm a very cautious psychonaut. I treat my body and mind well, and I wait at least months between trips. I treat each trip as a special event, and I like to have several days afterward in which to recover. The last time I tripped was 3 years ago. I think I can handle another one the next time I've got time on my hands. I've heard all the horror stories about people getting instantly addicted and becoming permanently altered or gaining lifelong flashback episodes, but I think instant addiction is simply propaganda, and permanent changes to the brain require more than single infrequent forays into unknown lands.
From my few experiences with audio effects from hash, I found it quite interesting. I would strain for the noises and they wouldn't come until I forgot about it again.
So I know danzing posts here from time to time, but does the Rev?
I'm not really sure how much help I could be anyway since I have not personally used either DiPT or Sinicuichi but I can say a few things at least.
DiPT ... well. I'm not sure it'll provide the sort of aural hallucination you're looking for. From everything I've seen it seems to just distort things without the kinds of hallucinations where your mind actually generates something interesting. Who knows though? I'm not one to say what you are or are not looking for.
The aural hallucinations I've had were all just from sleep deprivation. Those, in my experience, seem to arise from your brain's pattern recognition software over working itself trying to reinterpret random background noise into something coherent. The most common manifestation for me was thinking a radio was on in the next room with the words being said just below the point they could have been made out clearly. Of course it got to be a lot more than that after awhile and people hearing voices in their heads was common enough if they were up long enough.
As for your plant seeds... you may wanna actually try the stuff out before taking the time to grow the plants. The number of bad trip reports out there outnumbers the good ones it seems and have specific enough symptoms I'm actually very curious about what causes them.
At first I thought it was happening to the people who were boiling the shit down and fermenting it... while the people smoking it were having a good time... but a few people boiled/fermented it and had a grand time.
From a chemical standpoint? The concept of boiling and fermenting a mixture of as many organic compounds as there are in that plant in aqueous solution sounds wretched. In all likelihood the process is generating side reactions that sometimes end up poisonous... since I don't think I read about two people using the same batch and only one getting sick... and of the ones of two people using the same batch if one was sick they both were..
I would smoke it if you use it at all... Hah, or at least be sure you have a lot of recovery time if you poison yourself.
If you knew what you wanted out of there extraction would be pretty straight forward I think... but you don't... and after boiling the stuff in water? You really don't know what you're left with...
I'd give you a spiel about sticking with the well tested (weed anyone?) methods simply because your brains biochemistry can be delicate but I'm not thinking there'd be a lot of effect.
If you do get poisoned though I hope we get to hear about it!
Yeah I was thinking of just going either the tea route or the smoking route. I haven't really found many bum trip reports, but then again I haven't really looked. As far as I knew the worst I'd heard was that the tea was quite bitter and music lost its charm for the duration of the experience. What side effects have you heard of? Anything worse than vomiting?
EDIT: Oh and thanks for the infos, by the way.
Edited Thu Feb 12 2009, 06:54am
research chems .... *shivers* Ive sampled more than a small variety. DiPT I have not ever tried, but I have done plenty of DPT. If im not mistaken DPT is dipropyltryptamine where DiPT is diisopropyltryptamine. And from what Ive heard there is not much of a difference in the effects, powder coloration and taste etc. (most people say its basically the same shit). actually DiPT is supposed to active orally at much much smaller doses than DPT.... so dont go doing 50mg of it at once
With that in mind, here is my input on DPT/DiPT: Dosage, is very important... cant stress that enough. When I first got my hands on my DPT. I was anxious to try it, knowing the dosage should be no more than 50mg I figured what the hell Im a cosmonaut not a pussy... So I tried to eyeball 50mg, (ended up being a big fat line) It was alot more than 50mg..alot and I knew that..but I just thought it would make the ride all that much better.
Snorted it, god awful taste, drain that makes ya gag. Then burning... ok thats normal with alot of things, but it hurt ALOT. Felt like it was eating into the skin inside my nostrils, and then it just felt like it was literally on fire... my nostrils. So I go and snort what was probably a whole glass of water trying to get the burning to stop. Making my eyes water. Couldnt see, remember thinking my vision was like a windshield on a stormy night. Girlfriend could tell something was wrong, had to assure her everything was fine and just let me lay down.I squirmed around on the bed for the next 5 hours unable to form coherent thoughts much less words to put to them. My shadow would squirm around on the wall too of course.. but I kept sighing in frustration that not only was I unable to do anything but squirm around and try to keep my girlfriend from taking me to the hospital or calling people with radios and uniforms with broken replies composed of partial and mispronounced words, but I also had to worry about the shady fucker squirming around next to me ...what part did he play in this? now that I think of it hes been following me around all day, images of me pouring myself some lemonade in the kitchen earlier that day ...happily and oblivious to my stalker flashed through my head. Oh fuck Oh fuck ... it was all bad. I was sure at this point by the extreme pain that the awful firey sensation in my nose was in fact chemical burns, and it only got worse... it burned so bad that It began to feel like I didnt have a nose, but this wasnt the case because the nose I did in fact have was oozing chemical laden snot. Cool soothing snot.. ahh. It didnt help though, Now there were 3 people standing over me,speaking ..it seemed. What they were saying I couldnt even try to comprehend. Audio hallucinations, yes.. At that point in time I did not really care though, it sounded as if everyone was talking through small radios with a small speaker, or like they were standing in a small tin can. At other times it sounded like they were bellowing meaningless nonsense through a culvert. Also there would be times when things would sound electronic and processed. Perfect example is like in the matrix when he touches the mirror and freaks out, proceeds to scream like a bitch as the mirror pours down his throat. the way his scream sounded was very similiar. I was actually thinking of that scene as I lay there squirming around like a fish, it sounded all electronic when I made attempts to vocalize the thoughts I could not think.As I started to compose myself a bit more after 4-5 hours of this... I was able to communicate again and found that there were people standing over me arguing about what to do If I were to die. Ahhhh back to reality,kind of. Anyway the burning didnt stop for 2 weeks, I was happy it stopped.
Of course I advised everyone against taking this substance after seeing what it had done to me, of course right? Well I guess when they looked at me they didnt see a man in pain and distress so much as a man whos FUCKED UP. So a buddy of mine insisted he try some...about 1/6 of what I had done. It burned his nose mildly at first but went away within an hour. So being the good sport I am, I had another go with a rolled up 20 in a shakey hand. And Ok! but yea it wasnt that great. Audio hallucinations or "hot dogs" as they are called by me, were mild a best. Not technically hallucination so much as distortion of noise that is already present. Music of course sounded good, but alas good old mushrooms take the trophy with their wawas by any ears standards. Lots of tunnel talk and echo, weird delays that defy the concept of time as it is normally understood and thats about the coolest part. This substance and I did not see eye to eye from the get go...so maybe Im a little biased. Its like a trip with no peak, and thats just shit in my book. Sooo I had about half the bag left when I was leaving a music festival with my girlfriend and had a head full of mind bending things. Driven to the depths of paranoia by flashing lights and unwilling line-walkers on the side of the road we pulled over and she hurriedly stuffed the remainder of the DPT inside of a tampon dispenser in the girls restroom as we hurriedly ate the rest of the other goodies with over the shoulder wide-eyed looks of irrational concern. I still wonder how the person that pulled a small baggy of off-white powder labeled "dipropyltryptamine" reacted... did light bulbs go off in their head? hehehehe...
So in short, careful with your nostrils there buddy! Burns like fire and fire is hot! and that sucks for the nose holes..
Sinicuichi, huh. Never heard of it, and Im a pretty big fan of psychoactive plants. I was taking a look at the alkaloid content. It has several.. Some are known to have sedative effects, but it looks like they arent really sure which could be responsible for any other effects. Dont think science is really sure wether or not it actually does... Only one way to find out right? As for smoking it, not all substances will vaporize like you need them to for that to work, heat will destroy some alkaloids etc.
Find out what the common method of ingestion is, and if it is a tea. Have a barf bag handy..depending how well you brew it down and if you get most of the tannins out... puking would be a result that would be safe to expect.
The way it goes usually is, when something is thought or rumored to be psychoactive. And there is a few comments/accounts. Of people who knew people.. and the occasional guy talking about how great it is,
It will either be not psychoactive at all or Psychoactive in a "my skin crawls and my balls hurt" kinda way.. I dont know if this is the case with that stuff, ill probably go read more about it later.
bouncingbearbotanicals <---best place for ethnobotanicals by far. good guy.
Like spase said Sleep dep will produce 100% honest to goodness down home audio hallucination if thats what your after. BTW I came to the conclusion a long time ago that my brain was picking up radio signals, so you see Im not just crazy and hearing things after all =D I hear interdimensional tunes on DMT, but thats different.. Mushrooms, LSD... produce the kind of audio distortion DPT did for me just alot better. DiPT could very well be alot better, I hear its the same just more potent in much smaller doses
