well, i'm not sure what happened @ the towers, but i saw some pictures of the pentagon a week before it was attacked, and there was a line of chalk on the lawn where the plane hit a week later. that's just weird.
as for those that died, i feel really bad for our nation that we care more for killing others than honoring the dead.
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The dead have the peace, it's over for them
The living are the ones with the sadness and tumult afterwords, as well as the vast sense of loss.
The living want some kind of closure and perspective as to the 'why' and the 'how' etc. That is life. Death is a part of that, so it is obvious to me that the answer to violence is simply more violence. It's reactionary and thoughtless, but hey, we are talking human nature.
Capitalist Casualties eh?
This war is unjust and offers no answer. At least Saddam kept shit calm and in-house.
It's why, in my normal life, aside from the day, and even on the day, I never mention where I was or what I did ... Now it's pretty personal, just on a closure level ... Most people here (on TSi, not IRL) know, so I can state it here, as well as how I may feel at the time I mention it, however, ... ... I assure you, I didn't tell a soul as I went about my life today; no need
You're the sort of person that I wouldn't mind mentioning it, though.
It's the people who didn't know anyone who died or was otherwise involved, have never even been to NYC, etc. yet still get really worked up on 9-11 that send my temper on end.
It's sort of in the same vein of how angry I got a few months after when I was talking to some people my sister went to college with out in the middle of nowhere near West Virginia and they were freaked and tried to explain to me why they were in the middle of a huge fucking terrorist target.
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It's the people who didn't know anyone who died or was otherwise involved, have never even been to NYC, etc. yet still get really worked up on 9-11 that send my temper on end.
That's like half the country pal Are you saying those people are faking their feelings? Or are they not eligable to have empathy for another's plight?
I bet you don't think famine in Ethiopia or the genocide going on in Darfur has shit to do with you I suppose? Asshole.
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I was right down there... 9 blocks away. I'm trying to ignore all the anniversary stuff cause it still hurts. I'll never forget that day walking 70 blocks to my bf's apartment. Then I saw building 7 fall straight to the ground from a friend's balcony that evening. I never thought it would end..
i wasn't at the world trade center but really close enough. saw all the guys in suits walking with their briefcases, covered in dust. and crying. it was so sad....
I used to work with my bf that I was with for 6 yrs.. I kept walking towards work and police were pushing me back. I was in complete denial... A police man said GOOOOO and I looked up the treet and saw the smoke coming up the street. I told him I had to get to work. That was how bad of denial I was in. The cellphone towers were down and people were gossiping like crazy. I stopped to listen to a radio in the back of someone's truck. Then stopped halfway of the 70 blocks to get some tea. It was BAD... I managed to climb the fire escape and get into my bf's apt and I started calling people. Just the cellphone towers were the ones down
I had to work down there for 3 months with no phone.... and the smell... God bless Nyers and all the people that helped that day. I'm still sad about seeing it all but glad I don't live there anymore for the constant reminders. God bless everyone that died that day, it should've never have happened.
It's the people who didn't know anyone who died or was otherwise involved, have never even been to NYC, etc. yet still get really worked up on 9-11 that send my temper on end.
That's like half the country pal Are you saying those people are faking their feelings? Or are they not eligable to have empathy for another's plight?
I bet you don't think famine in Ethiopia or the genocide going on in Darfur has shit to do with you I suppose? Asshole.
I think Emp means that a lot of people who have no connection to the attack whatsoever are making a lot of hay with it, using it for whatever barrow they want to push, from everyone not like us is against us to lets clamp down and remove freedoms because if you cant trust the "terrorists", you trust your own either even less.
It's one thing to pay homage to those lost in the attack, its another to use to your advantage.
Then again, what the fuck do I know, I'm not a mind reader.
I'd ask what reason you have for being a fuckhead but I suppose it's not PC to make light of congenital defects. He doesn't need me to defend him but you don't know Emp. He makes you look like a GOP canvassing Limbaugh fan.
I think the point he was making is that your average American is so far disconnected from 9-11 that they couldn't find Iraw, Afghanistan OR Manhattan on a map. But they go rabid when someone mentions 9-11 because we are a nation of followers, a nation of sheep. We see Halliburton snatching up everything they can so that the US ends up owning every square inch of oilfield we can, but the only thing that connects their pea-brains to their mouths is "LET FREEDOM RING!"
Darfur needs to be important to the citizens of countries that haven't had their civil liberties "liberated". The US is at war with its' own "elected" officials.
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This ain't a flame thread Betty Boop, I already told you this issue gets me riled. I'm not quite sure what qualifies as 'fuckhead' classification, but I guess pigeonholing works for you. Evidently you demand more from mindless message board posts than I.
Dems + Repubs are barely discernible these days, despite the clamor and airy-hot rhetoric. I am glad you know things. Emp's post was vague and merited retort. I gotta work Saturday.
Zoomie and Mosh both hit on big aspects of what I find infuriating about 9-11.
If what people were expressing was pity for the people that died in the incident, or sympathy towards the families of the people who died and were there that day, or gratitude towards the firemen and EMTs and the like who put themselves on the line to help other people I would be 100% ok with however they feel like expressing that.
It's the sentiments that are either "yay America, don't you say nothin' bad about the USA or I'll punch you in the face" or "me me me, 9-11 really changed me, meeeee, meeeeeeee" that frustrate me. And those are the sentiments that politicians are playing to - it's not the perfectly humane sentiment of feeling things towards the people that were there - which causes my frustration to boil over with both politicians and my countrymen.
However, that day could still affect those who live in California who don't know a single soul in New York. And it's all about our isolationistic attitude. We don't have any borders with countries that we have griefs with. We are isolated from the worlds ailments. We don't have IRA bombing our subways (England), we don't have guerrila (sp?) warfare (Large parts of South America and Africa and Mid-East). So we have this idea that we are isolated away from such violence. The last truly tragic event to happen on U.S. soil was during the Civil War, because Hawaii wasn't even a state when Pearl Harbour was attacked. So, yeah, they have every right to say "9-11-01 has affected my life. It's made me realize that I'm not in the safest place in the world." When you realize that you AREN'T so safe, it does tend to make you think, and it's that process that changes you. No, I'll not argue and say it was as tragic as those who lost friends and family, nor those who lived and worked there, or for those who busted their asses and risked life, limb, and their hearts to clean up the debris and try to locate lost loved ones so families had closure. I will not even try to refute the whole "don't bash the usa or I'll bust ya in the face" thing, because that sort of "patriotism" always pissed me off. I'll be the first to tell you that I love the country I live in, but I'm shamed by the sham that our government has become. I'm sure our founding fathers have hollowed out their graves with all the rolling they've been doing.
Dave, I'm glad that things have calmed down for you. And I thought of you on that day, because I remember the tiny bit of messages I'd get of you telling me that you were ok and breathing still. *HUGS*
