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Lovernios: Take it as you wish, like everything else I beefed about Dave. My addess and phone # have been online for 7+ years now, and posting that info in a public forum it was a non-sequitor as far as I was concerned. It's always been one click away from TSi on my website. In my view, the post showed I was the one with the courage of my convictions, and it was a callout for him to be a coward. His mode is to hide in shadows, and he continued to do just that. I apologize to you about my emphasis on point, and the board trainwreck it caused. I'm glad F is re-thinking his ways.

ThrashInc: Thank you, Mike ... I'm sorry for any words I may have used that may have hurt feelings, seemed unfair, or seemed unkind; you friendship has and always will mean more than this episode ever will in the long run of our lives ...

Lovernios: I now realize in a forum full of young people and shifty types this type of post would be such a stunning
shock, but it's nothing

Lovernios: The truth is, anyone on that board is vulnerable in that sense, that's just life

ThrashInc: Yeah ... We're the oldest ones on there, man (save Mosh) ... sometimes even I have to remember that my demographics dictate stupid behaviours from my younger users ... It happens ... I'm just used to it ... they just don't quite "get it" yet, you know?

Lovernios: of course Dave. I know my response was irrational as hell, but there was an overriding principal. The word 'friend' gets bandied about so much it makes my head hurt, and I know you have a board to run, but I felt alone and out there on a limb, with all my 'friends' abandoning what I stood for. Granted, it came from F and not some newbie low-life with an agenda, but the principal of the matter still overrode my thought process (with vehemence)

Lovernios: and what if it was a low-life newbie with an agenda BTW?

ThrashInc: I'm sorry you felt that way ... It's not a good place to be, and I'm sorry if I, in any way, helped place you there; it was never my ultimate intention.

ThrashInc: You know, I thought abot that once you said "low-life with an agenda" ... I'm not sure, thankfully it's not truly what happened.

Lovernios: the lack of the original threads has proven to be a bane on this. Frankly, I was disgusted and did not want the public to read his words. I put that stuff in my signature because I wanted to use it as a sledgehammer to show people in that context, what he said.

Lovernios: BTW, you can post this chat too

ThrashInc: I can understand that, honestly ...

Lovernios: I'm sorry I outed your alias(s) man. **EDITED** was not subversive, and there was alot of concern from others I had many alias' and was stoking shit from all directions. I felt kinda punked over that, all my flames were in the right forum, and I swear to Christ all my battles were public.

ThrashInc: I know ... It's why I edited your aliases out and apologized in the initial post for doing so ... I feel really bad about that. THAT was truly a wrong thing for me to do ...

ThrashInc: If nothing else, Brooke's comment on the matter:
"Ok, Dave ... How are you going to give that 20 minutes of my life back?"
(or something to that effect)

Lovernios: yes, well, there were no other alias from me, and you did not go too far to enlighten anyone about that

Lovernios: Brooke is smart

ThrashInc: Thing is, I allow aliases, and it's against my personal policy to out them unless necessary; it wasn't at that time, thus, I fucked up against my own principal ... In that sense I felt I did you wrong, so I corrected it young in the thread's age

Lovernios: The fur flew and shit happened and escalated quite fast. Info was missing. Emos on high etc. I can get over all that, I'm big, and so are you. I guess we all have to do what we think is just and fair for ourselves. In the long run, that's all we got. It is the internet, and rules are pretty scarce.

ThrashInc: Agreed

Lovernios: I wept after my last post. I don't know why, maybe I had alot of emo invested in the people there, and I didn't realize it until then. Maybe my style of dealing with this was incorrect, but in the context of what TSi stood for, as well as free speech on the internet, it was pretty tame stuff I said.

Lovernios: And I stand by this til death: It was a reflection back to Palmer, exactly

ThrashInc: I can understand all of that .... and, rest assured, he's pissed off, and at times he pisses me off too ... But he's young, he's got a lot to learn ...

Lovernios: You should start an over 30 forum
Lovernios:

ThrashInc: Hmmmm ....
ThrashInc: That's not a bad idea
ThrashInc: Let's see ... You, me, Mosh, Lusive, and ...
ThrashInc: PW protect it ... PW: Geritol ... haha

Lovernios: Ya gotta start somewhere... With that I am just thinking ideas and posts would be a bit more refined and possibly interesting. It could grow, who knows.

ThrashInc: yeah ... I'm liking the idea, actually

Lovernios: Your problem would be proving a person's age, but you could
tell from the posts. Then you'd have to ban people!! haha

ThrashInc: hahaha

ThrashInc: OR, set up users as a "group" and only allow that group in there
ThrashInc: ones that we know are over 30 ...

Lovernios: Well, there are details to hammer out, but it could be a good break for those who like the main forum, but like more mature topics or better porn. I dunno.

ThrashInc: I'd post in it ...
ThrashInc: Let me see something

Lovernios: ?

ThrashInc: (I'm looking at the setup of it)
ThrashInc: I'm gonna have to add a mod to the board, but I think it's a doable idea

Lovernios: haha well, I hope it works out, it might have some promise. I'm still not sure where I'm at with TSi, you will be the first to know if I change my mind/thinking. I have to go deliver some stupid mail for an hour, I'll talk to you later. Thanks for listening/reading

ThrashInc: no prob, man ... any time

Lovernios signed off at 3:03:19 PM.