That's actually pretty funny. An anonymous group posts terrorist threats on the internet (allegedly, and a criminal felony) and they think a civil letter will make a difference?
Bags, I applaud your interest in this but if they have indeed made terrorist threats and committed acts of vandalism, they're no better than those they fight. Monotheistic religion and the fundamentalism that drives it is either going implode or cause another world war in the near future. Sadly I fear the latter.
Tru, they do. They designed it to trick unsuspecting Christians, by making it look like a Christian cross.
Zoomie, I am sure there are some Anonymous buffoons who did send threats to local Scientology orgs and I don't condone that. It only strengthens the church and allows the organization to play victim.
But during the two worldwide protests attended by thousands of Anonymous folk, there have been no violent outbursts/threats carried out at any of the churches.
Check out some Youtube vids and Flickr accounts from Anonymous members in cities all over the planet. Pure protest power! [Click, Dick]
They send them in among the protesters to incite violence and stage phony attacks on the police so that the cops then have an excuse to beat the fuck out of the rest of the people at random and get it all blamed on the organization doing the protesting by the media.
Baal: "A word which belongs to the oldest stock of the Semite vocabulary and primarily means "lord", "owner". So in Hebrew, a man is styled baal of a house (Exodus 22:7; Judges 19:22), of a field (Job 21:39), of cattle (Exodus 21:28; Isaiah 1:3) of wealth (Eccles, v, 12), even of a wife (Exodus 21:3; cf. Genesis 3:16)."
Humm I wonder if this is where the tern "Boss" really came from ?
wrote ... Tru I need to see a pentacle in your avatar by the end of the day.
Are you referring to satan worship?
Most of the earlier pentacles are the same as the jewish star. Only the 19th century version did it change into the five pointed star styalized in movies. Guess they were worried about people confusing jews with satan worshipers eh?
Maybe you are referring to Wiccan's? I don't have a problem with them.
Wiccan:
Pentagram
Septagram
Satan:
Six points, six inside corners, six lines. 666
Typical satan pentagram:
Jewish:
The Pagan earth worshipers were around before any of the rest. The Satanists are wholly invalid as they must first subscribe to the validity of christianity.
And the jews? Well who the fuck knows, their entire foundational history as well as their modern nazi nation is a complete fabrication. The christians/catholics base most of their religion on the jews so they're fucked as well.
Anyway, ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
Interesting bit related specifically to this day.
wrote ... The Man Pagans Love to Hate And then there's the man Pagans love to hate: the Catholic St. Patrick, who is widely viewed in the Pagan community as something of an early Hitler, who burned books, chopped down sacred groves, and eradicated Druidry. Patrick's story is an interesting one. According to the official Catholic mythology, Patrick was a slave to a cruel Druid priest who escaped, became a Christian Bishop, and returned home to save his countrymen from the the evil Druids. Modern day Druids tend to view Patrick as a tool of the Church's program to eradicate peaceful pagans from the earth, that the "serpents" he reputedly drove from Ireland were in fact the learned Druid priests. The truth, I'm sure, lies somewhere in between- but one thing is sure, that the Pagans have the last laugh- because the drunken revels that accompany St. Patrick's feast were just the sort of "pagan revel" that infuriated him so to begin with.
I might have to alter my avatar to include Masons. They seem worthy ... of derision.
wrote ... St Pat wasn't such a nice guy.
Just like freaking Columbus.
wrote ...
ST. PATRICK & THE DRUIDS OF IRELAND by Flame RavenHawk
Patrick was a Christian priest whose job it was to convert the population of Ireland to Christianity. The Druids, however, stood in his way. The Druids were very important people in Ireland at that time, and their symbol was the Snake of Wisdom. Druids could be priests of the old religion of Ireland, but there were also much more.
One part of the Druid class were the "Bards", whose job it was to remember all of the history of the people, as well as to record current events. Because the Irish Celts did not rely on a written language, everything had to be memorized. Bards were poets and musicians, and used music and poetry to help them remember their history exactly. Because of this, Bards were highly respected members of the Irish society. The Irish believed that history was very important, for if you didn't remember what had happened in the past, you couldn't safely plan for the future. Bards, therefore, held the future of the people in safekeeping.
Another important part of the Druidic class were the "Brehons". Brehons were the Judges and the Keepers of the Laws. The Celtic people had a highly complicated society, and with it, a highly developed set of laws. Brehons trained for many years to learn the laws of the people, so that whenever there was a dispute, the Brehon could fairly decide the matter and make peace. The laws were there to make sure that everyone; man, woman, and child, were treated fairly and with respect. Because of the wisdom that the Brehons held, and the knowledge of the laws of the society, they too, like the Bards, were held with much respect.
And, of course, there were the Druid Priests. This branch of the Druid set were the keepers of the knowledge of Earth and Spirits. It was their responsibility to learn the Spirit World, in order to keep people and Earth in harmony. Priests performed marriages and "baptisms", they were healers, and psychiatrists. The Priests were the wise grandparents to whom you could go with a problem. They were there to help you solve them, with the help of the Earth and the Spirit World.
Into this world of the Irish Celts entered a highly energetic and devoted Christian Priest named Patrick. Because he believed so strongly in the tenets of Christianity, he thought that anyone who was not Christian had to become one in order to be "saved". He came to Ireland to convert the Irish people to Christianity.
The Irish people at that time were happy and doing quite well without Patrick and his ideas, but he was persistent. He noticed that the Druids were really the important people of the society. He thought that if he could convert the Druids to Christianity, the rest of the people would follow. Patrick's main problem was that the Druids were very comfortable with what they had already learned, and were not willing to change. Druids had spent their entire lives learning the ways of the people, and were the last people who were willing to change.
Although Patrick was not willing to abandon his vision of a Christian Ireland, he was getting desperate. He knew that because the strength of the people rested with the Druids, he had to get rid of them in order to get the people to listen to him.
Patrick was not alone in his efforts. He had brought many people with him from Britain to establish the new religion. Patrick began to destroy the influence of the Druids by destroying the sacred sites of the people and building churches and monasteries where the Druids used to live and teach. Gradually, the might of the Druidic class was broken by a bitter campaign of attrition. Instead of hearing the teachings and advice of the Druids, the people began to hear the teachings of Rome. Because the Druids were the only ones who were taught to remember the history, with the Druids dead and their influence broken, the history was forgotten.
Patrick won. By killing off the teachers and the wise ones, his own religion could be taught. For this mass conversion of a culture to Christianity, and for the killing of thousands of innocent people, Patrick was made a Saint by his church.
Today the story is told that Patrick is the patron Saint of Ireland because he "drove the snakes out". We now know that the "snakes" were the Druids. So although I love the Irish people and celebrate their Celtic heritage, I don't "celebrate" a day dedicated to the man called Patrick, Patron Saint of Ireland.
Tomorrow I am going to hang out with my best-friend, the Scientologist. I am at the point where I cannot hold back my questions for him. I so want him to see through the veil that Scientology has covered his mind in. He was born into a Scientologist family, so he has always only known Scientology. He lives with 3 other Scientologists (one being his Scientologist wife), so there is no way I can bring this up to him while at his house. If we grab dinner or something I think I'm going to bring it up to him.
Guys, I hope I don't lose a friend; a friend of almost 16 years. I lost our friendship once, for 6 months, while he was in the Sea-Organization. That's when I got into drugs heavily (ecstasy).
I have thought about this for a while and these are the three questions I am going to ask him:
What kind of church runs security checks on you when you leave it for vacation?
What kind of a church puts you in a work camp after finding out you want to leave, as punishment?
What kind of a church makes you pay back-payments after you have left the organization?
He told me himself, that while in the Sea Organization all of these things happened to him. While in the work camp (called the RPF - Rehabilitation Project Force) he was in something similar to a basement with a few other people and they stripped wire all day. Then they were yelled out and cursed to, being criticized for wanting to leave. He also paid the church $9000 in "Freeloader's Debt", which is back payment for the food, and lodging he had during those 6 months. However he'd already more than paid for this with the 10 - 12 hour work days he put in while in the organization. When he came down during Christmas to visit his family, he had to get on an e-meter and have all kinds of security checks done, including answering questions like "Are you planning on leaving Scientology"?
Unfortunately, he was so indoctrinated he felt he had to pay the debt off to remain a Scientologist and not be declared a Suppressive Person.
This may be the last chance I get to try and break through to him and get him to see what I see when I look at the Church of Scientology.
Edited Tue Mar 18 2008, 03:28am
Tomorrow I am going to meet with my friend Kyle. He's a nice guy but he's totally indoctrinated in the materialistic world around him and I'm worried for his spirit. Hopefully I can reach him but....
Yep. Didn't help me open up at all. I just liked the physical feelings the drug gave me. (Body chills, the effects of light shows on my eyes, smells - vicks, etc). Same thing with Booze. I don't get louder when I drink, I get quieter.
