You are insecure about your relationship with a guy that would worship Roseanne Barr if she let him. You've imagined that Pat is some sort of icon which all woman bow to and desire, when the reality is he was a really nice guy that always sought our attention. If anything, we all were attracted to parts of his personality which is how friendships start.
For some reason you cannot accept that Pat was smitten for girls before you. If you could accept it, you wouldn't go on boards and your live journal attempting to insult all of them for no legitimate reason.
You have a lot more work to do, however, because Pat has been smitten with many posters. It seems to me you have a lot more posters to post fabricated bullshit about, many more posters you must call redneck trash, and so many posters you have not yet called psycho or mentally unstable.
Maybe its time for you to examine that if you think every girl besides you is mental, that it might be you that needs the psychiatrist.
You call Americans poor, white, illiterate trash and then post mispelled word after mispelled word.
You preach about how "retard" is an inappropriate word, then you launch your egocentric attacks agains "all" Americans.
You insult the looks and intelligence of others and expect them not to respond when they see you have neither category mastered.
You claim you love Pat and then you attempt to drive him away from a community which he adored.
You say he only has eyes for you and all of us are ugly rednecks, yet you still show that you are threatened by all of us in your many attempts to put us down.
You stated you and Pat were the only ones who could reason and tell truths whe you and Pat are the only ones that have distorted the facts.
You claim that I went to your online journal and made anonymous posts because I am so obsessed with Pat. Yet when looking at your livejournal which once seemed a memoir of your life, all you post about lately is us. Who is obsessed with whom?
You claim I'm jealous of you, when you are obviously very jealous of me. You couldn't wait to wreck what you thought was going on between Pat and I. It was a friendship, and that WAS ALL.
You keep saying the problems we have with one another lies in the following: you're more beautiful than we, more intelligent, you have Pat and we do not, oh and of course, we are illiterate, redneck trash. Yet, you hide under layers of makeup, dark clothing, and dark hair. You freak out that a picture you don't approve of might be shown to others. You continually set yourself up for attack by pointing out fallacies of other posters which you yourself make. You know like when you said Arcane takes advantage of youth, when you are fucking mentally and physically with a 19-year-old. What kind of high school administrator does that? You cannot even spell words correctly and claim we are "assanine" and illiterate.
You have excuses for eveything, because you don't want to face your demons.
You make me sick because you pretend to be this holier than now intellectual that belongs on the cover of Vogue. When in reality, you are meek, scared, insecure, and afraid to hurt. So you try to hurt others and you attempt to protect yourself by driving anyone or anything away which might jeopardize your relationship. When in the long run, you're the one that is damaging it.
Don't hate me because I was Pat's friend. Hate yourself for trying to make something out of it that wasn't.
wrote ... Meg. You are just a little girl who has done too much way to soon. Yeah Pat used you. Yeah he thought you were pretty. But he never respected you as he himself has said, he never cybered with the 2 people he loved..Sabrina or me! Yeah he did it with you and Arc because any girl who's 15 and willing to cyber on the first proper convo and who has already had 3 sexual parnters and has experienced anal isn't worth respecting, same goes for an ageing hag who prowls for minors on the net...
Pat and I are alike in that we take actual real life sex very seriously. He lost his virginity at 18, I was 19. That's why we are compatible and why he would never respect someone who gave it away many times before the age of 15. You need to look at yourself and recognise that you are endangering your own sexual health and that of your real life partners. I pity you for being so emotionaly fucked up that you classify an online relationship which consisted of little more than wank fanatsies and teen daydreams, with someone you have never met as a real relationship. You are a pretty girl and I heard how upset you were on the phone that day when Pat told you I was there. I feel for you, really I do, but you need to let go.
Also, Meg if you have nothing to hide and did not do all of the running, why did you PM Pat to ask him to destroy your letters and presents? He's kept the letters so they can be scanned and posted should you ever choose to deny your part in all of this...for your own sake let it go and don't get involved with these bitter old hags...
First off, this is Brooke's call-out not mine, you shouldn't be dragging anyone else into your rant. This has happened twice now in both this call-out and Pat's. Those are the rules of the flaming forum, follow them.
And please, you need to get off this notion that I was deeply obsessed with Pat and still am. I'm not. I have my own boyfriend who really does make me happy. I'm tired of you thinking I still lust after Pat when I don't. Also, think about this, you just admitted (although I highly doubt its accuracy) that Pat used me. Doesn't that bother you that the boy you're dating had no problems "using" someone younger than him? Online acquaintance or not, there is a person still sitting on the other side of the screen and you seem to fail to realize it. And in all honesty, I have let this go, but you keep bringing me up and bringing me into it and I'm tired of it.
Yes, as sickly as it is to admit (but at least I am not so cowardly to try and refute what actually happened), I did care about Pat. I don't care anymore what happened then, it was six months of us talking to each other. We cybered a few times, yes, and had plenty of other much more regular conversations. Neither of us ever counted the experience as a relationship. That much is the truth. We didn't want to get involved, and I told him very specifically, and he agreed, that I would not consider myself to be in a relationship with him until I met him face to face. That never happened. Despite the lies that everyone has heard and have been spread around, I never considered him to be a boyfriend. Although I'm sure you hold this statement in doubt considering every biased thing you've heard; I am not an entirely unsensible person. I had an idea of what I was getting into and unfortunately I did make the mistake of thinking that I might hopefully get the chance to meet someone I used to respect.
As for your other self-drawn conclusions, you can defer to my post in Pat's callout now that this ridiculous argument has been drug out into two threads. He knows well my views on such things and it appears that he has lied to you, or to himself. I still haven't been able to decide which is which. My virginity was "given away" at the age of 14, two months before I turned 15. I have been with four people since then. Three of the four were one-night stands that usually ended up frustratingly, no doubt because of how young I was. I do realize that, you know. However, I am not idiotic enough to not use protection, and you have no right to make, nor the evidence to prove, these conclusions. I am perfectly free of disease even though you seem to harbor suspicions of me being a walking, talking grab-bag of collective STD's.
I was not upset when I found you were dating Pat on the phone that day. I was excited about finally having moved in to a new house and I was telling all of my friends, not just him. At the time, I had lost all romantic interest in Pat and moved on. But I wanted to share my news with someone I valued as a friend. When I heard you were over the first words out of mouth were congratulations for him because he needs someone outside of his online life just to keep him balanced mentally.
Also, I have nothing to hide. I will admit to anyone the truth, but I will not discredit myself with the stories you've cooked up for me. And yes, I did PM Pat and ask him to get rid of my letters and my photographs and a DVD of our high school's fall play that I copied for him. I, like yourself, do not wish to be insulted by having personal items such as photographs passed around for public mockery. It was as justifiable a request as you asking not to have your picture pushed all around the internet. I would think that you could understand something like that. So, if you do go and choose to post my silly old letters on the board, I have an equal right to request they be taken down and have "disciplinary measures" taken and all that rot, so don't waste your time threatening me, you're not so intimidating. But go right ahead...what do they say? Most are six pages of boring/sappy/more boring bullshit.
And guess what? Pat isn't the only person I write to. Surprisingly enough, I just enjoy writing letters to my friends, not just some 19 year-old boy a couple thousand miles away. Because despite what he says, even if he was pretending just to get attention, he did do a very convincing job of making me think he cared. He has made it quite obvious he never did, never had, and unfortunately, neither do I.
There. This should hopefully clear up the terrible fallacies you've been clinging to. Now please, my part in this is done. It was never very significant and you've completely blown it out of proportion. I never even saw the kid. You're letting your anger get the better of you and your taking out your frustrations partly on someone very much younger than you. You're supposed to be an older, more mature woman than me. Please start acting like it. Show some dignity and let this all go. It's just ridiculous internet banter and you're letting it get the better of you. There's no need.
One more note, these are not bitter old hags that I involve myself with. These are reasonable mature women who are trying to explain to you something you have completely refused to believe simply because of a few stories a 19 year old boy told you. You are indefinitely more mature than this, so instead of coming after these people like the harpy you criticize them of being, just enjoy your relationship with your newfound beau. Be confident with yourself and don't let people you don't even know get to you.
wrote ... Lol ok seeing as Pat and I have become the Angelina Jolie and the Brad Pitt of the TSI board...
Not the best analogy for obvious reasons.
wrote ... So why don't you just leave us to it? What have any of you lost if Pat is such a bad person? Surely it would benifit you if he wasn't around? Why waste your time?
I think I dislike you both now equally, but I applaud you for making a very good point. The only thing you're neglecting to think of is when you come on this board and mess with people, we will respond. We cannot exactly leave you alone if you keep coming back trying to insult us with inklings of information you learned from Mr. Truthful.
Your callout of the following people should not have been done in this flame, because it was designed for only us: Hayley, Arcane, and Meg
However, I will allow those three to defend themselves since you didn't just limit your comments to me. Why would you? You are a diverter.
wrote ... Not only do you try (and fail laughably) to come between Pat and me, you and Sharla try to come between Tony and Pat
yeah, that is why we warned Pat to be careful. I don't know I just thought you two attempting to drag Arcane's name through the mud might make Tony a little upset. I guess he understands that it is absolutely neccessary that you drag all of the information you think you know about her and plaster it for everyone to see when he knows she did nothing wrong.
wrote ... What matters is how you treat each other when you are together...
And you honestly think insulting all of his friends from the past is a good idea? That is respecting Pat? There is a difference between saying to someone you don't like the way they've been acting and attempting to reveal details of their personal lives and be judgemental of those life details which you really don't even know much about.
Furthermore, when you try putting us down, I think I speak for all of us including Pat when I say speak for yourself. Don't say things like, Pat would never respect someone like you and Pat would never blah blah blah, because you really should let Pat say those things if Pat thinks those things. You are not his guardian nor his thinker. He is capable of speaking for himself and it is really unfair of you to speak for him, no matter if they really are his opinions or not. Stop putting your needs before his for once.
wrote ... You are a pretty girl and I heard how upset you were on the phone that day when Pat told you I was there. I feel for you, really I do, but you need to let go.
I think she has let go if only YOU would let her. It is really hard for someone to stay out of your relationship when you drag them back in over and over again you dumbass.
wrote ... Slagging off me or Pat is not going to split us up.
Can I ask you why you think I give a fuck if you and Pat break up. I just want you both to do the right thing. Pat needs to stop dissing his friends thinking he has to in order to honor you. It isn't right for him to do the things he did, which he admitted to, and then just disown us like we never existed because he is to scared to deal with it.
And I want you to stop trying to make everyone else look bad to make yourself look better. Because making fun of 16 year olds and pointing out personal details you learned from Pat about people you don't even know is making you look pretty bad right now. I want you to learn that we were never a threat on your relationship, but we were Pat's friends. By launching attacks on us and judging the personal lives you think you know so much about is putting him in a very awkward position. If he wanted to make a truce with us, he wouldn't because he would feel like it would upset you. Now, why does he think that? Probably the same reason you feel you must attempt to embarrass us and tarnish our reputations, because you are afraid. You are afraid if he becomes friends with me again, he'll tell me things about your relationship which you don't want anyone to know. You're afraid if he is friends with Arcane again, he might cyber with her. You're afraid if he befriends Meg again, he'll have sexual conversations with her.
If you are not afraid, then why continually fight us. Especially people that never fought you like Meg for instance. Shame on you for trying to demean a 16 year old when she said not a word to you. Even if she had, what kind of person, or should I say what kind of teacher does something like that? An insecure one. If Pat hasn't proven to you that he would sell his soul to stay with you, I don't know what is going to convince you. There is no need to make all of us look bad, because in his eyes you are wonderful.
I have no need to make you look bad, until you try to insult others on here with your petty bullshit. It's not right and deep down inside you know it. You claim we are all jealous of you, but you are all jealous of us. And why? It doesn't matter how attractive, intelligent, or charming we all are, Pat has eyes for you. It doesn't matter how many friends he has that are girls, he only has eyes for you. Stop trying to make other people suffer for your insecurities and deal with them.
wrote ... But we're still together...coming up to 1/4 of a year now and much closer thanks to you lot.
Yes, but you can have a strong relationship without making yourselves the Romeo and Juliet of a community that always embraced your relationship, just not how either or you treated us since that relationship.
You don't seem to understand this, but if Pat was my friend at one point and I cared about his happiness, why wouldn't I question someone that came on this board pushing people around.
The truth is you and Pat were sensitive that people would have a problem with your relationship and because of that you bit when you shouldn't have. You both could have stopped it a long time ago, but I'm starting to think neither of you really knows how.
wrote ... How sad that others lack the personal direction to think for themselves.
With all the arguements that have happened on this board, I think you are wrong. We do think for ourselves, and sometimes that rubs others the wrong way which is why we've fought with each other as well. The difference is we know when we are wrong and we eventually admit to it. I don't think it is a quality you possess.
wrote ... How can you waste so much time and effort on someone you all say you dislike and someone you don't even know and say you dislike? It really baffles me....
Because we did like Pat, but he let you post details about our personal lives without telling you you shouldn't. That was betrayl. He lied to you, and then when you came on spewing those lies, he claimed we were the liars. That was betrayl. And after all of this, even though he made a public apology once for what he did, he has made us the bad guys by banning us from his boards and refusing to talk to any of us online about what he has done. That is betrayl in its most ultimate form. We don't understand it, because the Pat we knew wouldn't have done those things, or so we thought. Naturally, we assume he is doing these things because of you, since his behavior changed when you came around. Although, I admit, he is an adult and capable of making his own decisions. I spend time on you because you baffle me. An educator that belittles 16 year olds, someone insecure about her looks who insults other's looks, someone jealous of people she never should have been jealous about and claims they're jealous, someone who calls Americans illiterate, yet still cannot spell words correctly, and someone who judges others for their lives who has a life everyone could judge. I can't let someone like you go by without trying to make you think about these things. I just cant; that is me.
wrote ... "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." -Mark Twain
Yes, these are wise words, however, it doesn't apply to this situation. When you attack or put down a number of people, those people will bond with one another and fight back. Next thing you're going to say is survivors of the holocaust need to read this quote a couple of times because they as a majority felt Hitler was a piece of shit.
I fear what you teach your students. You have no logic.
If Elysium is really never coming back, I vote Meg for her part of the flame. Meg it may have wasted 15 minutes of your life, but you did an awesome job of defending yourself when you should never have been attacked in the first place. For the record, Pat is the one that told me you were his girlfriend. He probably told Arcane the same. Maybe in Pat's mind you were his online girlfriend. Who cares. We can thank Pat for bringing you this board. You just outsmarted a 42 year old Administrator frome England at the age of 16. Your future is paved with gold girl.
Thanks Brooke, and I am thankful in part to Pat for introducing me to all of you. You are a wonderful bunch of people and I respect all of you very much. And I honestly don't care who really wins the flame, but thank you.
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wrote ... Arcane. Well I have never seen such a case of a "woman scorned"
I believe the IM convo bet. Pat and I, posted in Doc's callout thread proves beyond doubt this is not the case.
wrote ... Although I have a damn sight less wrinkles... I've seen the pics..wear make up next time, better still try surgery!
Post the pictures you mean, because not from what I have seen of you, oh, but I forgot, you never feel it necessary to prove the lies you spout....because you can't. Post the one you mean, let everyone see any truth, but then, you would be too afraid they don't agree. I am pretty used to this reaction from females because, for some reason, they find my looks intimidating....mind you, I do not, but they do for some reason, it is definitely the reaction I would expect from someone such as yourself, you wouldn't say such things unless you truly did not feel your looks inferior and I would say you feel the same for Brooke...she is very attractive, but there really is no reason for your jealousy, I don't want your man and Brooke has a good one already.
As far as your comments concerning my personal life go, you have no knowledge of it at all, so your comments really aren't worth my time. When I first got to the internet a short time ago, I cybered quite a bit, it was all new and it was fun to be wild when IRL I am shy and fairly reserved. The cybering has pretty much gone by the wayside, it got old. As far as my and Tony's RP board is concerned, I do it for the creative writing, I enjoy writing erotica in a fantasy setting...if you are any decent goth, then you have read Anne Rice, and if you have, then again, you are a hypocrite.
wrote ... We cybered a few times, yes, and had plenty of other much more regular conversations. Neither of us ever counted the experience as a relationship.
wrote ... Because despite what he says, even if he was pretending just to get attention, he did do a very convincing job of making me think he cared. (as a friend) He has made it quite obvious he never did, never had, and unfortunately, neither do I. (now)
Well, very wise words from a 16 year old, haven proven herself so much more mature than you in mind and thought process...I just quote Meg, because the same holds true for me and my friendship w/ Pat.
wrote ... instead of coming after these people like the harpy you criticize them of being, just enjoy your relationship with your newfound beau.
Let me get this straight...you are calling people bitter old hags when you are 15-20 years older than both of us? Again...you are projecting, but we are used to it from you by now.
As far as the rest goes, I agree with everything Brooke and Meg have said here, so no point in it being repeated and I even agree with one point you made Dee, definitely words you should take to heart because it pretty much sums up everyone's problem with you:
wrote ... if you don't respect yourself, no one else will either
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wrote ... What is wrong with an undersexed teen having cyber with an old slag who not getting it right off her partner so has to supplement it with cheap online thrill with strangers?
(The grammar...it pains me to even read her writing!)
Hmm, nothing more than an even older slag who is not getting it at all so has to supplement it with cheap IRL thrills with undersexed teen strangers.
wrote ... Pat and I read your role playing games we never laughed so much in all our lives.
Ahh...you must have been reading the RPs Pat did then I assume.
wrote ... role play sex (lol how funny was reading that?
See, this confuses me, so help me out, you and Pat had a good laugh hmm? Well, I will tell you, I have never met a more interesting or talented group of people where writing and art is concerned. You should also know that Pat is a member and has posted on that board and he also role played there. Though, I admit, his writing was not on par with everyone else's and therefore he had trouble getting anyone to RP with him because of this. You should also know that the board not only belongs to me, but Tony as well.
There are plenty of best selling authors who write fantasy erotica or who include it somewhere within the text, so I guess you can ask people like Anne Rice, Tom Robbins, Percy Shelley, Lord Byron, William Burroughs and countless others how funny is that? Or are you one of those who would have books burned for their sexual content? Didn't you say that you and Pat went to see the movie The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy made from the book Douglas Adams wrote? How hypocritical is that? And here, I thought you told the truth when you said you were well read.
And I guess Pat neglected to tell you about the section called, "Shock Therapy" he created at the asylum which is now deleted, no doubt in another lame attempt to hide his past from you. It was never created for creative erotic fantasy writing either, but rather strictly for his sexual thrills. On my board, you can not even enter unless you are 18 and up, whereas Pat allowed children as young as 14 and 15 in Shock...so don't banter prudish morality with me.
As far as Tony and I go, you should also know that we are very good friends and always will be and who knows what may happen in the future or where it may lead? He is a very special person to me and I love him as a friend and never used him as Pat may want you to believe for whatever reason.
wrote ... If that's what it takes to get you off, how bad must what you're getting or not getting in real life be?
Ask your boyfriend. *shrugs*
And with all due respect to Meg, though I bow to her graceful and swift sword, I vote Dee herself as the winner of this debate. She, after all, flames herself better than we ever could with her constant barrage of prudish hypocrisy, grammatical mistakes, spelling errors, misinformed rants, lack of good judgment, condescending, juvenile attitudes, astoundingly thick nature, not to mention unabashed jealousies.
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wrote ... And yes, I did PM Pat and ask him to get rid of my letters and my photographs and a DVD of our high school's fall play that I copied for him. I, like yourself, do not wish to be insulted by having personal items such as photographs passed around for public mockery. It was as justifiable a request as you asking not to have your picture pushed all around the internet. I would think that you could understand something like that. So, if you do go and choose to post my silly old letters on the board, I have an equal right to request they be taken down and have "disciplinary measures" taken and all that rot
I would like to give out an honorary award in Dee's honor.
Dee, this award goes to you for finally reporting something truthful about one of the members on this board. It took you a while and it must have been hard work, but it all paid off in the end because you finally did it. I'm very proud of you, as I'm sure other board members will agree. I actually think I might shed a tear because I'm very impressed with your breakthough.
Everyone, Dee has reported that my first name is Sharla and she is CORRECT. It isn't an exageration or a lie, but the truth. And she didn't even spell it wrong either, WOW!
I now bestow on you the award of doing your homework the right way.
Congratulations, I didn't think you had it in you, Kid!
Heh, I like the name Sharla...cool. And thanks Dave. I honestly doubt they'd post a bunch of stupid letters, I just wanted them to realize the hypocrisy of the situation.
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"MissMeg" wrote ... Heh, I like the name Sharla...cool. And thanks Dave. I honestly doubt they'd post a bunch of stupid letters, I just wanted them to realize the hypocrisy of the situation.
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I bow to Sharla and Meg both. She's trolling pretty deep to start insulting someone's name...guess she ran out of her decidedly vexatious imagination skills.
