Since you are either never online or you banned my from your AIM list, I'm doing this here.
I have a major issue with you.
I hate you so fucking much for violating my trust, manipulating personal details about my life, and posting/or telling your girlfriend to post these things for everyone to see.
You are a spineless coward, because you have not spoken to me personally about this.
This is your opportunity to contact me in private. If not, all my issues with you will be aired here for everyone to see.
What you did to me is not ok, and cannot be forgiven with a single post stating you shouldn't have done those things.
Make your choice, and please do it soon.
A note to Administration
If certain posters violate the flaming rules, I request their posts be removed. I'd appreciate the upholding of these rules. Thank you.
I asked Dave if Pat didn't respond to my issues with him if I could post pms, and he informed me that there was no rule against that.
Because I know Pat will attempt to delete this, I have already received permission from the owner of the board to post it.
This is another warning to the admins that can remain objective here, realizing that in a flame post, nothing should be deleted.
From: DoctorVonEvil To: Brooke Posted: May 03, 2005 - 11:31 AM Subject: Closure
What I did was wrong and I made my apology on TBB, and I'll make it here for you again, I'm sorry.
Know this, I only ever spoke highly of you to Dee before said incident, which I believe is what made it particularly upsetting to see you seemingly take a stance against us in that thread.
The thread took a very nasty turn with personal details being posted with numerous added falsehoods and negative hyperbole, on both sides.
In short the fighting has hurt not only you but also myself and Dee very much. Dee only ever acted to protect me because she cares for me very much, and I for her.
What I want more than anything is to just put this fighting and unpleasantness behind me and move on. I have someone with whom I have a very real chance for happiness, not to mention my university course and new friends.
This online fighting is only stressing me and Dee, as I'm sure it is stressing you.
I am not sure what you want from me, but if you want me to stand against or discredit Dee in any way then I will not under any circumstances. All I can offer are my apologies for my conduct in the thread and my wishes to let this fighting go into the past. If you choose to still hate me then that is your perogative.
What I would ask of you is to accept my apologies and let me enjoy my chance for happiness with Dee without the hurt and stress of emnity and hate.
wrote ... Know this, I only ever spoke highly of you to Dee before said incident, which I believe is what made it particularly upsetting to see you seemingly take a stance against us in that thread.
And this is where you've always had a problem. Hayley may have done some really mean things to you in the past. You have to give credit where it is due, however, and realize that she didn't do anything wrong to you in that thread. If anything, you guys should have tried insulting Etoile. She is the one that made the joke.
What I don't understand, is why Hayley's laughing at that gave anyone permission to assault her verbally in extensive posts. Why not say something to her about the laughing. Instead it was like a lynching party in which you, Dee, and blackspydra went on and on about how Hayley was wrong, blah blah blah.
She, however, only said HA HA. I mean, seriously. What you did was wrong. You overreacted, and you were just waiting for her to say something about your relationship. She didn't, and so when Ha Ha was said in response to Anna's joke, you went raving mad. It wasn't right, and as a friend I have no problem telling you that.
Pat, you have always, always, always had a huge problem with any type of criticism. For instance, when you were making the cover for the yearbook, if I asked you to move something you got extremely sensitive. When in reality, I wasn't knocking your whole design, but just suggesting a change in one element.
I will always be an honest friend, and if I see wrong, I will tell you. If it bothers you, then it bothers you. What you did to Hayley was wrong. If she had really said something horrible, then I would have said nothing. She said "ha ha" Pat.
In response to me merely saying, "I don't see what the big deal is about." YOU feel you have the right to take personal details which you only know from living in my house and distort them for your girlfriend to post all over the board.
Where in your logical thinking, does a friend telling you, "I don't see what the big deal is," warrant you doing something that despicable.
wrote ... The thread took a very nasty turn with personal details being posted with numerous added falsehoods and negative hyperbole, on both sides.
This is where you are wrong. Nothing posted by me was exaggerated unless you exaggerated it to me. Yes, you either told Dee, or she herself posted malicious fabrications about my life and personal details which neither of you had the right to post.
Did you expect me to see you advise your girlfriend to post personal details of my life and make me look like some idiot who cries every night, is a failure as a teacher, has a boyfriend that cheats on her every day, and whatever else bullshit you made up? Did you expect me not to respond? If anything you know me, and you really made things worse to think you could say such things without me responding in a way that could hurt both of your feelings. If you had no sensitivity for my life, what in the fuck did you think I owed you? You told me those things yourself about Dee. I have the AIM conversations to prove it. I sure don't think you want Dee to see those, do you. Go ahead and lie, and pretend I'm the bad guy. I don't care. Just don't lie to me, because if your memory fails I'll provide the proof. The other stuff came from her live journal; therefore, since it was linked to her profile, I assumed it was true and also public knowledge, unlike my life which was not posted on the internet for everyone to see.
wrote ... In short the fighting has hurt not only you but also myself and Dee very much. Dee only ever acted to protect me because she cares for me very much, and I for her.
Pat, I don't understand how it could have hurt you. In my opinion, you subjected Dee to this, because you fed her misinformation and used her as an outlet. This subjected her to scrutiny, and exposed her too much more animosity on the board than she might have already caused.
As far as my original post in response to her, it may have sounded a little harsh, but if she and you had actually read it and thought about it, you would have seen it for what it was.
Here is the truth.
I have no problem with you dating anyone Pat. Why the fuck would I. While trying not to hurt your feelings, even though you have not done me that service, I can safely say that I would never have any attraction to you in any way. You were my friend and I thought a good listener.
You have to realize, however, that just because you are my friend, doesn't mean I'm not going to state something to your girlfriend that was bothering everyone.
She should have known that she didn't have to impress us. You should have known that. I hope you didn't tell her to post that she was extremely intelligent, had an IQ of a genius, and that she couldn't communicate well with others because of her high intelligence. Common sense should tell anyone, that introducing yourself by constantly bragging about yourself, unless you are applying for a job, is absolutely going to cause people to dislike you.
She did state those things way too many times, and really why would someone brag about themselves in the first place? My point to her was to be herself and then I'm sure we'd see the positive things that made you fall in love with her.
You guys, however, did not see that; even though it is exactly what I posted.
From my experience with you, I knew you'd be pissed if I said anything to her. For all I know, you might have been the one telling her to brag about herself, so we'd all think your girlfriend was great. Regardless, if anyone, including my brother, grandmother, best friend, enemy, or stranger, came on to the board saying things like I’m intelligent, I’ve got an IQ of 179, I can’t communicate with most people because of my high intelligence, I'm going to say something to them.
She either took offense immediately to others telling her the same, and then especially to me backing it up, or you advised her to.
When she responded with personal insults against my life, which seemed rather absurd coming from someone who doesn't know me, did you not expect me to fight back?
I don't care who the fuck you are. If you violate me in the way you did, you can expect I'm going to fuck you the same way. And that is where you did her a great disservice because you made her a target. That was very wrong of you, especially if you claim to love her so deeply. On the other hand, she should have known better.
wrote ... What I want more than anything is to just put this fighting and unpleasantness behind me and move on. I have someone with whom I have a very real chance for happiness, not to mention my university course and new friends.
Then why have you banned me from your board? Why did you block me from your AIM list? You are the one that committed a major wrong to a friend. I merely stated an honesty to you. When you launched your fictitious attack on my personal life, you opened up the field to do the same with yours. I don't owe you an apology for defending myself. You were so wrong; it makes me fucking hate your guts. It makes me feel like you are a user. You used me when you were depressed, you complained about committing suicide repetitively, you came and lived at my home for free, you put stress on my life and relationship, and you repay me by taking things you never should have, jumbling them up and tossing them on the net, because I told your girlfriend she shouldn't belittle others.
Fuck you for that always.
wrote ... This online fighting is only stressing me and Dee, as I'm sure it is stressing you.
What is stressing me is not the online fighting. It is having trusted you. I hate myself for letting you stay here. I hate myself for caring that you complained about your depression, I hate myself for trying to help you find a college, I hate myself for telling you any details whatsoever about my personal life, I hate you for using me when you had no one, and then hurting me in the deepest of ways because YOU MISUNDERSTOOD HONESTY.
I'm allowed to say to you, or anyone else if I think you are wrong. I'm allowed to tell you or anyone else if I think you're belittling people. You were not allowed, however, to respond to that by sharing things you had no right to share, or attempting to make me look like some naive idiot.
wrote ... I am not sure what you want from me, but if you want me to stand against or discredit Dee in any way then I will not under any circumstances.
Why would I want that you fucking asshole? You have much education yet to go when it comes to dealing with people. What I want is for you to think about all of the things you said, the things that were trusted to you that you abused, the fact that your sensitivity hurt a friend unnecessarily, and confront that friend like a true friend would.
Your first mistake was to do what you did. Your second mistake was to ignore me like you never did it to me. I don't care if you posted a couple of lines to me on a message board. If you didn't think you owed me more than that, then you are a user.
wrote ... What I would ask of you is to accept my apologies and let me enjoy my chance for happiness with Dee without the hurt and stress of emnity and hate.
What you did to me has nothing to do with the relationship you and Dee share. What I said to her doesn't either.
If you two are sensitive that people will criticize your relationship that is your problem.
How dare you fucking lecture me about enmity and trying to let you move on with your life, when you had the nerve to do what you did to me.
I do hate you for what you did. I hate you most of all for thinking it wasn't a big deal.
Pat, you lived in my house for free when had no incoming in over the summer. We fed you and didn't make you fucking pay for a long time. You were here for 3 months. The whole time you made jokes about Dave and put him down. Yes, I spoke to you about our problems, but in large part, because you put him down and because you tried to annoy us at times, you caused problems.
I helped you out when you were at your lowest point. If you can just take all that for granted now, then you were never much of a friend in the first place.
Please learn that I never gave a fuck about your relationship with Dee. I care about how a friend treated me poorly for everyone to see, because he is way too sensitive and cannot respect honesty from friends.
This is not over yet, until you can respond to these things. You cannot do such things to people and because you feel guilty, expect it to go away. I will let it go when you have done me the service of dealing with these specific issues.
From: DoctorVonEvil To: Brooke Posted: May 03, 2005 - 05:34 PM Subject: Re: Closure If that is what you truly think of me then I see no reason for further communication between us, I think it is best for both of us.
wrote ... Then why have you banned me from your board? Why did you block me from your AIM list? You are the one that committed a major wrong to a friend. I merely stated an honesty to you. When you launched your fictitious attack on my personal life, you opened up the field to do the same with yours. I don't owe you an apology for defending myself. You were so wrong; it makes me fucking hate your guts. It makes me feel like you are a user. You used me when you were depressed, you complained about committing suicide repetitively, you came and lived at my home for free, you put stress on my life and relationship, and you repay me by taking things you never should have, jumbling them up and tossing them on the net, because I told your girlfriend she shouldn't belittle others.
Pat. you have lost a good friend there... Not many people would put up with that shit unless the other person ment something to them.
wrote ... Know this, I only ever spoke highly of you to Dee before said incident, which I believe is what made it particularly upsetting to see you seemingly take a stance against us in that thread.
wrote ... And this is where you've always had a problem. Hayley may have done some really mean things to you in the past. You have to give credit where it is due, however, and realize that she didn't do anything wrong to you in that thread. If anything, you guys should have tried insulting Etoile. She is the one that made the joke.
'knock knock' ANYBODY THERE? what the fuck Pat... I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING WRONG..
I SAID HA FUCKING HA...
Is that clear enough for you now?
wrote ... If anything, you guys should have tried insulting Etoile. She is the one that made the joke.
Which is what I have been saying ALL ALONG. If I could turn back time.. I really wish I HAD said something nasty... atleast this would be worth all this fighting.
wrote ... This online fighting is only stressing me and Dee, as I'm sure it is stressing you.
Pat... is this stressed you out so much then why didn't you just talk to me like a human and do it in private. 1) it would have been solved very fast and 2) it would have been between you and me.
Instead I got PM's off your girl telling me how she was going to come and find me and have a fight. (By the way... Good luck looking for me.) and talking about stuff that wasnt true.. Like she knew my reginonal manager and that at my next appraisal I was going to lose my job (WHICH IS FUNNY BECAUSE I DONT HAVE EITHER OF THEM... )
If you love your boyfriend so much Dee... you step anywhere near me, and I have already had words with my father...Pat.... in hospital or ten feet under... OR.. Pat... Not in hospital and ten feet under... its up to you.
lets just put it that way.
You two made it harder for yourself.
I have to point out one thing. When this all started, I didn't talk to Brooke or Dave. They both spoke to me first and then that was well after you guys had began fighting. So I had nothing to do with brooke ''not backing you up''
wrote ... Then why have you banned me from your board? Why did you block me from your AIM list?
He banned me from his bored.. LIKE BIG DEAL. hahaha... Plus I banned him from my AIM nad MSN list.
I've done more two. Which he and HER will find out soon enough.
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I would like to know what is up, I have known him for over a year now, EZcheeze gets hacked and I was trying to help Pat and Prosp, even though I have no time, to build their posts back up. Teasing with Pat, like I always do, I mention that he is mushy when he is in love...he gets all defensive? Like I need this shit, I DO have better things to do......seriously f- him. It's like he is so damned desperate and he finally gets a girl, so all his friends can go to hell? I swear I don't think I have ever met a bigger weenie in my life, if he doesn't claim his balls back soon, she's going to run all over him.
They say love is blind... or, to be more specific, love MAKES one blind sometimes...being defensive is both good and bad.. you have to know who your friends are though, which I'm not so sure he does based on everything we've seen in here and on TBB about this situation... There is one addage which reigns supreme within this whole thing... "Bros before hoes".... Based on what i've seen, I truly believe he has lost sight of who his friends are/were, and seems quite content on alienating himself from anyone who has an opinion even REMOTELY different from his...
Mind you, he does have the right to stick up for himself and his "lady"... However, for lashing out at an observation as SIMPLE as that one you made, is rediculous...
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Well, here is what I said exactly..."Pat, you are so gooshy when you're in love, lol. I was 19"
So if I had said anything to warrant him being so defensive, I could understand that. I could have been mean, but I held my tongue since he was my friend. Now I am tired of his crap so I am going to say what I feel and he can have something to really get defensive over because he is no longer a friend of mine, I don't keep friends of such low grade quality. He has proven over and over to be a disloyal, self-important, egotistical nerdy ass. For instance...since I have known him he has had 3 different online girlfriends (4 if you count 'I love ya Melissa'?) called, "the Doctor's nurse" at the Asylum and I have to wonder if she realizes this? What sort of woman takes 3rd like that? At least TRY to be original....does HE really think that we don't know he is behind these titles? He does things like allowing his 16 yr. old online gf with no experience to mod at TBB as a newbie over posters who have been there for years, then when people question this, he hides the real reason, which is only too obvious it is because she was his gf that she was chosen. He then proceeds to act like his decisions are irreproachable and the only reason anyone is objecting is because, "they have always had a problem with me." Well, when you act like a wad, I guess so. Then he trashes the gf that he had before the 16 yr. old one, spreading word of her being a 'bad' sex partner in relation to his new one, which I see as being very cruel, not to mention juvenile, especially since the former girl was also a virgin so I hear...all of this in very poor taste. Then, at any semblance of teasing or general good natured taunting, he turns on his friends, stabbing them in the back when they try to be real friends and tell him the truth of matters in a constructive way. Truth seems to elude this boy, even going so far as to ban his friends for no good reason from his board. He apparently thinks he is NEVER wrong and resents even the suggestion that he may be. Currently he is turning my stomach with all this...see you soon sweetie, lovey honey bs in almost every...single....freaking....post. Thrash and Brooke are in love...do you see them making utter fools of themselves online? NO. I can understand being inexperienced and in love like he is, it can be overwhelming, but please try and save SOME dignity for when she dumps you and you have to crawl around looking for more friends because you fucked over all your old ones.
Also Pat...please don't bother to ban me, I already cancelled my posting acct. at the Asylum, so now you and your new girl can use the board as your own personal messenger service all you like, I don't guess you noticed that you have maybe one or two regular posters there now anyway, it's driving more than just me away and FYI...girls don't like pussies....so until you change your ways, don't count on keeping their interest for long. And don't bother to argue this fact, your track record speaks for itself....women want men not babies. One last thing....I am so fucking glad I don't have to endure another whine session from you about how I don't care about the Asylum and why don't I post, YOU are the reason I left last time and you are the reason I leave permanently now, I spent almost a year posting loyally on that board daily and you just shit all over me but it will only happen once.
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It doesn't have to be said but looks like Pat fucked up majorly i've known brooke for 6 years now and never seen her this pissed all i can say is "DAMN"
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He didn't even have the balls to post...Brooke wins in my opinion as well. Since he is apparently without, I knitted him a pair he can use.....that is, as soon as he figures out his are missing....I have to honestly wonder if he ever had them in the first place.
Here is the bottom line. Pat was wrong. How many times have we seen him not take criticism well. Hell, I let him live here for free and he certainly didn't take honesty well from me and definately not from Dave.
I won't deny that I liked Pat as an online friend and talked to him whenver I did make it online, which was rare. But he seemed like a very lonely, depressed individual as he was always in a depressed mood and always complaining about his unhappiness. I tried to sympathize and help him. I saw him go through online girlfriends glad that they at least made him happy for a while.
Half the time I really think the only reason he came to stay with Dave and I was not because he was trying to start a new life for himself as he claimed, but because we were so close to Orlando where Brina was. And he talked about her constantly. Although he claims now that I tried to break them up, I was honest with him pointing out that a girl that wont even talk to him on AIM is probably not even interested anymore. It took him a while to realize that. Consequently, the whole time he was here he was depressed because his goal of being with her was destroyed.
Then he returns to England, and after having a more online relationships, he meets this goth chick in person. Finally, a girl that he could talk to and see at the same time. He didn't have to wait months to meet her in person, he could just meet her. What fascination that must have been for someone whose relationships didn't really extend far from the computer screen. He brings this girl and her provacative pictures on a board we've all been, some of us for years. He wanted us to be impressed with her looks, her profession, and her intelligence. Therefore, at her introduction, her pictures were posted and she boasted of her intelligence way too much. We all wanted to say something but know Pat. I didn't care, and did the right thing anyway. Someone needed to say something to that girl, and I of course did it.
Not once did I say thier relationship was worthless, that they should break up, or anything of the sort. Somehow, however, my standing up and telling the girl just to be herself instead of sell herself was construed of course by Pat as me having a problem with their relationship. Because I have a problem with someone coming in and bullying people around claiming they are more intelligent thatn everyone else and more attractive as well, I was trying to wreck his happiness.
Then he made the extreme mistake of launching his pit bull on me. The only problem was all of her claims proved false when Mrs. IQ couldn't even spell words correctly nor had her facts straight in her egocentric views against others and myself. I ripped her ass to shreds, and seeing no end to the mess he started, he weakly apologized after distorting every detail he ever learned about my life.
He is afraid of the truth. He doesn't handle honesty or criticism well at all. There was no reason for him to betray anyone. He could have stuck by her side by simply stating, maybe she has misrepresented herself here, but... He instead made her disliked more by launching his gay insults through her who had no common sense or social skills.
I think Pat was always lonely and unhappy. He used the internet to reach out to anyone who would listen during his times of distress, which were numerous until he found reprieve in relationships. Now that he has found a permanent and what seems to be real thing, he has no need for any of us anymore, which he has proven.
There was no need to ever betray anyone. Who wants a friend that sugar coats things and refuses to tell you the truth? I'll never be that person because I value my friends more.
One day, Pat will realize he was wrong. After all he is only 19 and still very immature. Some mistakes are unforgivable however, and he'll have to learn that the hard way.
"Arcane13" wrote ... He does things like allowing his 16 yr. old online gf with no experience to mod at TBB as a newbie over posters who have been there for years, then when people question this, he hides the real reason, which is only too obvious it is because she was his gf that she was chosen.
Oy yoi yoi...you just had to bring that one up, didn't ya? *cracks up* He was a freak...I'll admit. But eh, he's just a bit of a jerk. *shrugs*
Heh...that was kinda mean. (But isn't now.) That felt really good...wow. Yay!
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No Brooke, I bow to you, you stood up and said what needed to be said when no one else would.
I never blamed you Meg, you were just an innocent bystander really, he put you in the same place that he put this Dee person, a place where people could and would throw rocks at her and he even provided the rocks so to speak. He is so worried about people liking him I guess, that he feels he must go to these lengths, when he doesn't have to with any true friend. What confuses me is what Brooke said, "There was no need to ever betray anyone." Who among us can say we didn't want to see Pat happy? We all did, even Aspy and Hayley I would venture would have liked to see Pat happy. Why is he so touchy and acting like everyone is out to get him when we are not? Why does he feel the need to pose and to defend slights that were never there in the first place? Perhaps it's mental, I haven't a clue, there is no logic to it as far as I can see. And yes Meg, he is pimply and I never knew crossed eyed, but ok, there are still qualities there that we all liked, or none of us would have ever been friends/involved with him. This whole thing is just a true shame, he has lost a lot of good friends here.
I'd call it abuse of power to some extent... It's like hiring your nephew for a job he has NO experience in versus someone who's been there for 10 years... Granted, they both will be able to do the job at an equal level at some point, but what's the point of it because you're pissing off other people...
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"AspHole" wrote ... *hugs meg* But we love you!
Exactly Meg, I never doubted your abilities to do the job, I know you and knew you would do a great job, it just wasn't fair to others, that's why I turned him down when he wanted me to, I thought Rach or Jenn, Beck, and many others would do a good job too and they had been there so much longer.
